Charlie V a Cav?

[Zog]

I agree it would give us a much better all around line up. I find it unrealistic that any team will be able to sign two all stars in the 2010 class which is why I say we make a push for Bosh this summer and if not we attempt this deal with the bucks. Problem is then we still need to find a starting center after 2010 and looking at the list of free agents there are not many we can realistically get except mabye someone like a brendan haywood? That is unless we sign Gortat and he preforms above expectations which I still think Orlando will match a MLE offer to keep gortat

Well, that is still a problem whether we get Bosh or not... I feel Gortat, while not providing much offense, can be a bigger, stronger AV. He's also much better at shot blocking, is a better rebounder, and is definitely a better finisher around the basket. He seems to dunk the ball at any chance possible. Andy doesn't even dunk it when he is wide open all of the time. Z can still come in for 15-20 minutes a game if we need offense rather than defense from our center position.

However, if our lineup is Mo, RJ, Bron, CV, Gortat, and Gortat gives us 8ppg, that is plenty. We have four guys who can go for 25+ any given night, and Delonte, who can give us 15+ off the bench on any given night. In addition to that, Boobie can get hot and drop 15 as well, Z could make a few baskets and give us another 8 points potentially, and perhaps Andy gives us 8 garbage points. Having a scoring center with that lineup just spreads the scoring load around, it doesn't really increase it. There are only so many shots to go around.

If Bron scores his 28-30ppg, Mo scores 15-17, RJ scores 15, CV scores 17-18, and Gortat scores 6-8, you're looking at the starting lineup providing 81-88 points on any given night and Delonte adding maybe another 10, a few from Z, a few from Andy, and a few from Boobie, and you're over 100 and perhaps well over 100.

 

[sam_slam911]

Wow, RJ or Redd would be a fantastic addition. As unlikely as that kind of deal would be though, it would leave us with no young center and no assets to get one.

If for some reason Milwaukee did look like theyd match the MLE, Sasha and a pick is the only trade I'd do.

 

[Ruken]

We are talking about a trade for RJ and CV not just RJ. Redd is damaged goods so I really dont want him. I think this deal hinges on our AV signing.

 

[Chris]

However, signing a big name free agent is entirely unrealistic in 2010 (other than LeBron, of course).

Then we are in deep trouble because the team still needs another All Star. How are you going to get one?

You guys can talk all day about adding marginal pieces like Charlie V and RJ or whatever else. Great. They are nice pieces. But they aren't All Stars or sidekicks.

 

[Lee]

So they want to save money on RJ or Redd... we want CV. We can save them money, they can provide us with CV. We have them sign CV to 4 year, $28-30 million (start at $7 mil/year).

Milwaukee trades:
RJ
CV

We trade:
Ben
JJ
1st round pick

This gives us a 6'7" athletic wing who's a pretty good defender and a young talent at PF. RJ and Bron are both versatile enough to guard 2's, 3's, and most 4's.

Sign Gortat with MLE (or Pachulia, etc). Perhaps Kidd with BAE if he would take it:

Mo/Gibson/Kidd(?)
RJ/Delonte
Bron/RJ/TK
CV/AV/DJ
Gortat/Z

Then we also would have Sasha left possibly to trade for a draft pick. This gives us flexibility in the draft to take a big, wing, or even PG because we won't have any dire needs and we can draft solely on potential and talent.

Also, think of our small ball lineup:
Mo
Delonte
RJ
Bron
CV

That would be absolutely deadly.

As much as I would love to get cv and rj, i dont see us getting both. If they get rid of rj and save enough money, no need to trade cv for any reason. Not saying the bucks arent another likley trade partner, but cant see us completely raping them...what we did last time was assult.

Also, when you s&t someone, you cant include anyone else in the deal. They would have to be 2 seperate deals and both work money wise on there own merrit.

 

[Lee]

Then we are in deep trouble because the team still needs another All Star. How are you going to get one?

You guys can talk all day about adding marginal pieces like Charlie V and RJ or whatever else. Great. They are nice pieces. But they aren't All Stars or sidekicks.

Trade or draft. I have said it many times. All stars are added to good teams typically through the draft. SA has 3 all stars....ever since robinson got hurt and they won the lottery, they have been a good team with duncan. They drafted both ginobli and parker. We must hope tha jj turns into an all star....and if he doesnt, we need to trade for a player that develps into an all star or is already one. Remember, Mo was a trade not a free agent.

Free agency is for complimentory pieces....typically you pick up an aging vet with some life left in his legs as part of the rotatation. If you use the full mle, you might be able to pick up a starter quality player but not an all star. It might be a good way to add the 6'6 athletic sg we need....typically better bang for the buck in the free agent market when you sign a guard. Bigs are always over priced and over valued.

 

[Sir Charles Barkley]

Then we are in deep trouble because the team still needs another All Star. How are you going to get one?

You guys can talk all day about adding marginal pieces like Charlie V and RJ or whatever else. Great. They are nice pieces. But they aren't All Stars or sidekicks.

RJ would be LeBron's Ariza, and CV would be his Odom.

Boom.

 

[Chris]

RJ would be LeBron's Ariza, and CV would be his Odom.

Boom.

Great. So where is his Gasol?

 

[Sir Charles Barkley]

Great. So where is his Gasol?

Z maybe?.....

LOL!


Honestly, idk. I don't think we could completely steal an all star center from any team this offseason.

 

[chess]

Then we are in deep trouble because the team still needs another All Star. How are you going to get one?

You guys can talk all day about adding marginal pieces like Charlie V and RJ or whatever else. Great. They are nice pieces. But they aren't All Stars or sidekicks.

we're not getting bosh or stoudemire, so there goes the super star card.

we lost to the magic by a couple shots, so we arent that far off. we need to get younger and stronger especially up front

if we can get a 25 yr old pf who could put up 20 and 10 every night and has the athleticism to cover guys like rashard lewis why not take him? plus we're only giving up our mle, and if it takes more then we wont get rid of our #1 chip in ben.

i just dont understand why youre hating on this idea so much, i mean do you expect a superstar with the MLE?

as much as we (cavs fans) think we have in trade chips, we really dont. just a couple expirings and we arent getting an all nba player with them. if we can add charlie V and pick up someone like chandler or gortat, than thats a championship caliber team.

also we would only be paying him abt a mil more than boobie if that puts it in a better perspective for you. imo it would be a steal

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

This is the most realistic scenario I see happening.

Cleveland trades: Wallace, Kinsey, #30, Cash
NOH trades: Chandler, Posey


Cleveland trades: Pavlovic, 2010 2nd rounder, Cash
NOH trades: Mo Pete, #21

Cleveland signs Charlie Villanueva with the MLE.

At #21, the Cavs draft Eric Maynor.

With #46+Cash going to Charlotte, the Cavs move up to#40 and select Danny Green.

The Cavs re-sign Andy Varejao for 4 years, 26 million.

Mo/Gibson/Maynor
Delonte/Posey/Mo Pete
Bron/Posey/Danny Green
Villanueva/Varejao/Hickson
Chandler/Z/Varjeao

 

[Ruken]

How can you not say adding RJ and CV make our line up championship caliber you add two players that average over 15 ppg and can create their own shot and are in their 20's. Please it would be an amazing trade

 

[Lee]

This is the most realistic scenario I see happening.

Cleveland trades: Wallace, Kinsey, #30, Cash
NOH trades: Chandler, Posey


Cleveland trades: Pavlovic, 2010 2nd rounder, Cash
NOH trades: Mo Pete, #21

Cleveland signs Charlie Villanueva with the MLE.

At #21, the Cavs draft Eric Maynor.

With #46+Cash going to Charlotte, the Cavs move up to#40 and select Danny Green.

The Cavs re-sign Andy Varejao for 4 years, 26 million.

Mo/Gibson/Maynor
Delonte/Posey/Mo Pete
Bron/Posey/Danny Green
Villanueva/Varejao/Hickson
Chandler/Z/Varjeao

Sasha would be involved in the chandler trade ben is an expiring, but is agent says he wont let him walk away(mentioned his agent wouldnt allow it the day Ben said it) , dont see the mo pete trade going through becasue pavs already used. Dont see CV going for the mle without the bucks matching him. Sessions is much more likely to go. Plus, they will try and traderj or redd before they just let a 24 year old promising pf walk for nothing.

 

[Zog]

Then we are in deep trouble because the team still needs another All Star. How are you going to get one?

You guys can talk all day about adding marginal pieces like Charlie V and RJ or whatever else. Great. They are nice pieces. But they aren't All Stars or sidekicks.

Trade.

RJ averaged 19.6 ppg and shot 39% from 3, I'd say that he would be a pretty nice addition and certainly qualify as a legitimate sidekick. The most Pippen ever averaged during years the Bulls won the championship was 21ppg. Pippen got more rebounds and more assists, but we have LeBron to pick up the slack there.

CV averaged 17.7/7.3 in 29mpg as a starter. He took quite a few shots (15), but he could still get 11-12 here, and they would be higher percentage.

I think the bottom line is that with Mo, LeBron, CV, and RJ, you have 4 players that can, on any given night, get you 25+ ppg. That's a huge threat to a defense and makes it very hard to defend. We really only have Mo and LeBron right now that can do that. Delonte can get 25+ occasionally, but he's not a threat to do that every night. The Magic are actually built this way... Nelson, Hedo, Rashard, and Dwight are all threats to get 25+ on any given night, but besides Dwight, I don't consider any of the other three to be bona-fide All-Star caliber players. Dwight makes Rashard look much better than he is, and he makes Nelson's job a lot easier as well.

As much as I would love to get cv and rj, i dont see us getting both. If they get rid of rj and save enough money, no need to trade cv for any reason. Not saying the bucks arent another likley trade partner, but cant see us completely raping them...what we did last time was assult.

Also, when you s&t someone, you cant include anyone else in the deal. They would have to be 2 seperate deals and both work money wise on there own merrit.

We would have to play hardball. No one's going to take on RJ's contract, at least I highly doubt it. It's not 2010 friendly and it's pretty expensive ($15+ million a year). Didn't they try to dump it on the Blazers for LaFrentz, but the Blazers didn't bite? Or was that VC? Either way, there aren't many teams that want to take on a large contract that goes past 2010. If they want to get rid of it, we'll ship them Ben so they can save money, but they'll have to give us some incentive to take a bad contract on... CV would be the answer to that.

Great. So where is his Gasol?

Where was Jordan's Gasol? LeBron doesn't need a Gasol.

Look, we were damn close to the championship with a starting lineup of Mo, Delonte, LBJ, AV, and Z. A starting lineup of Mo, RJ, LBJ, CV, and Z/Gortat depending on the matchup is much superior. CV>>>AV and RJ>Delonte. We won 66 games with our starting lineup this year. That is how good LeBron is... imagine if he had two strong finishers (RJ and CV) on the wings cutting to the lane that he could drop dimes to...

Do you really feel like we couldn't beat any team in the league with those two? I'm talking Boston, Magic, and Lakers. Maybe Houston or the Nuggets.

 

[Ruken]

I think RJ is a player we need to attempt to get regardless he solves two of our huge problems (SG size and a legit 2nd scorer).