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Anti-Chief Wahoo activist charged with misusing federal grant money meant for Native Americans

By Eric Heisig, cleveland.com

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A well-known anti-Chief Wahoo activist was indicted in federal court Wednesday and charged with stealing more than $77,000 in grant money meant to benefit Native Americans in Northeast Ohio.

Robert Roche, 70, faces charges of conspiracy and two counts of theft of government funds. His indictment comes after a multi-year investigationby the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

The U.S. Attorney's Office says Roche, a Cleveland resident, worked with consultant Craig McGuire to steal money from the Parma-based American Indian Education Center. Roche is the executive director of the nonprofit, which was established in 1995.

Roche obtained a grant in 2011 through the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration. The "Circle of Care" grant was supposed to support mental health and wellness programs for Native American children and families, according to the indictment.

SAMHSA awarded Roche's nonprofit more than $302,340 for fiscal year 2012 and $308,040 in fiscal year 2013. Prosecutors said Roche and Craig McGuire, a consultant he hired as a grant writer, embezzled a combined $183,703.55 from the grant money.

Roche's nonprofit received $482,766 from SAMHSA from 2011 through 2013 and did not get all the money awarded to it because SAMHSA placed it in "high risk" status, the indictment says.

Prosecutors said Roche paid himself by classifying himself as a project coordinator of the programs funded by the grant, even though the grant's regulations precluded him from doing so. The grant applications also identified another person as the project coordinator, according to the indictment.

The grant applications also had several false statements, including a claim the center had a wellness department and a "Positive Paths" after-school program, prosecutors said. It fraudulently listed people the center allegedly employed and mischaracterized the description of the center's building and physical amenities, prosecutors said.

"Mr. Roche took tens of thousands of dollars earmarked for Native American children and families and put the money in his own pockets," U.S. Attorney Justin Herdman said in a news release.

Reached by cellphone on Wednesday afternoon, Roche referred questions to his attorney Larry Zukerman. Zukerman said he would discuss the case after Roche is arraigned.

Roche has been a vocal advocate for the need for more resources for Native Americans. He has also been a well-known face in the movement to rid Cleveland of Chief Wahoo, the controversial mascot of the Indians.

McGuire, of Lewis Center, pleaded guilty to federal charges in April. Prosecutors said Roche paid McGuire with grant money, which is prohibited by federal rules.

He has agreed to cooperate with the government's investigation and to testify at trial if asked. If he does what he is asked, he could face a sentence of between eight and 14 months in federal prison.
 
http://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2017/08/anti-chief_wahoo_activist_char_1.html

Anti-Chief Wahoo activist charged with misusing federal grant money meant for Native Americans

By Eric Heisig, cleveland.com

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A well-known anti-Chief Wahoo activist was indicted in federal court Wednesday and charged with stealing more than $77,000 in grant money meant to benefit Native Americans in Northeast Ohio.

Robert Roche, 70, faces charges of conspiracy and two counts of theft of government funds. His indictment comes after a multi-year investigationby the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

The U.S. Attorney's Office says Roche, a Cleveland resident, worked with consultant Craig McGuire to steal money from the Parma-based American Indian Education Center. Roche is the executive director of the nonprofit, which was established in 1995.

Roche obtained a grant in 2011 through the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration. The "Circle of Care" grant was supposed to support mental health and wellness programs for Native American children and families, according to the indictment.

SAMHSA awarded Roche's nonprofit more than $302,340 for fiscal year 2012 and $308,040 in fiscal year 2013. Prosecutors said Roche and Craig McGuire, a consultant he hired as a grant writer, embezzled a combined $183,703.55 from the grant money.

Roche's nonprofit received $482,766 from SAMHSA from 2011 through 2013 and did not get all the money awarded to it because SAMHSA placed it in "high risk" status, the indictment says.

Prosecutors said Roche paid himself by classifying himself as a project coordinator of the programs funded by the grant, even though the grant's regulations precluded him from doing so. The grant applications also identified another person as the project coordinator, according to the indictment.

The grant applications also had several false statements, including a claim the center had a wellness department and a "Positive Paths" after-school program, prosecutors said. It fraudulently listed people the center allegedly employed and mischaracterized the description of the center's building and physical amenities, prosecutors said.

"Mr. Roche took tens of thousands of dollars earmarked for Native American children and families and put the money in his own pockets," U.S. Attorney Justin Herdman said in a news release.

Reached by cellphone on Wednesday afternoon, Roche referred questions to his attorney Larry Zukerman. Zukerman said he would discuss the case after Roche is arraigned.

Roche has been a vocal advocate for the need for more resources for Native Americans. He has also been a well-known face in the movement to rid Cleveland of Chief Wahoo, the controversial mascot of the Indians.

McGuire, of Lewis Center, pleaded guilty to federal charges in April. Prosecutors said Roche paid McGuire with grant money, which is prohibited by federal rules.

He has agreed to cooperate with the government's investigation and to testify at trial if asked. If he does what he is asked, he could face a sentence of between eight and 14 months in federal prison.

So the main guy of the anti-wahoo was an embezzler of money from the Native Americans. Hmm...

I don't think the Indians need to really get rid of Chief Wahoo anymore. I think it's at the point where he isn't the main logo, but people still want Wahoo and to buy the symbol. I have heard of some people semi-hoarding Wahoo stuff in case they do phase him out completely since they don't want the block C. I wish we could get how well the block C sells vs Wahoo
 
Baseball logs are so fucking boring. Now we're just another letter
 
Dolan made Cleveland sports fans' affinity for Chief Wahoo sound alot like how southerners defend flying the Confederate flag.
 
Baseball logs are so fucking boring. Now we're just another letter

I wish we could get sales numbers of which logo sells more. I would put good money on it being Wahoo who still sells hence why Dolan isn't agreeing with the commissioner on getting rid of Wahoo. He still needs to make his money to pay for the team and you cannot get rid of a selling item.
 
How many more wins before they officially change their name to the Cleveland Windians? I feel like that would be a step in the right direction.
 
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I wish we could get sales numbers of which logo sells more. I would put good money on it being Wahoo who still sells hence why Dolan isn't agreeing with the commissioner on getting rid of Wahoo. He still needs to make his money to pay for the team and you cannot get rid of a selling item.

Here were the top four selling Indians caps for the 2015 season:

  1. Home cap with Chief Wahoo
  2. Road cap with Block C red
  3. Washed Chief Wahoo cap
  4. Washed Block C cap
 
Here were the top four selling Indians caps for the 2015 season:

  1. Home cap with Chief Wahoo
  2. Road cap with Block C red
  3. Washed Chief Wahoo cap
  4. Washed Block C cap

If those numbers stay the same, part of me says no way Dolan agrees to get rid of Wahoo altogether
 
How many more wins before they officially change their name to the Cleveland Windians? I feel like that would be a step in the right direction.
Bad bump. Just put it in the Indians thread. This thread being bumped NEVER leads to good things
 
The logo is racist and is only associated with losing. Change it. Now's the time. Thank you.
 
The logo is racist and is only associated with losing. Change it. Now's the time. Thank you.
The native Americans lost. The Cleveland Indians continue to lose. Keep it until that changes.
 
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