Cleveland Browns Quarterback Position

[Kiddo]

If we had a coach worth anything Kizer wouldn't have been playing. He should be sitting 2-3 years and learning from a vet. So not only was he forced into playing when he clearly wasn't ready he also had to overcome all these obstacles.

In training camp and preseason they spent most of the time playing other QBs. He should've been getting all the reps possible.
Has the worst head coach in NFL who didn't design a system for him to succeed.
They only ran the ball on 30-35% of the plays.
Arguably had the worst Wr group in team history for the first 11 games.
No vet QB to lean on.

The most negative thing about Kizer's game is his accuracy and i have no doubt that can improve over time.
He's 21 years old so the mental mistakes should also improve over time. Let him sit and learn for a year or 2 and i bet he can be a very serviceable QB.
It seems every QB in this rookie group has some flaws so if you're not completely sold on one sign a QB in Free Agency and roll with him for the time being. (Cousins, Keenum, Bridgewater, McCarron, Smith will be available via trade).

Rosen - Injury & Concussion concerns. Also basically said he doesn't want to be here.
Darnold - Turnover prone, may stay in school.
Mayfield - System QB, is he tall enough?
Allen - Accuracy concerns, needs time to develope.

Of course the 2 years we have the 1st pick there's no sure fire #1 QB in the draft. With all that being said if you held a gun to my head today i'm taking Rosen.

 

[AZ_]

Here is every age 21 QB to start more than a few games in a season since the merger (from a few weeks ago).

Anyone giving up on Kizer now would be foolish, for what it's worth.

He's 8 months younger than Baker Mayfield.

 

[CBBI]

Here is every age 21 QB to start more than a few games in a season since the merger (from a few weeks ago).

Anyone giving up on Kizer now would be foolish, for what it's worth.

He's 8 months younger than Baker Mayfield.

I don’t think anyone wants to flat get rid of Kizer. I just don’t think anyone wants him to start next year.

He’s signed for three more years for practically no money. Absolutely no reason to cut ties.

He should be the third string QB in 2018 behind the No. 1 overall pick and a veteran.

 

[The Oi]

How did Darnold actually look in Cotton Bowl? I see he threw for a lot of yards and only one TD, but that’s stats.

Did he LOOK like a #1 pick in that specific game?

 

[Urban]

Here is every age 21 QB to start more than a few games in a season since the merger (from a few weeks ago).

Anyone giving up on Kizer now would be foolish, for what it's worth.

He's 8 months younger than Baker Mayfield.

Previous to Kizer, 5 of the 7 players were #1 overall picks, who are given long leashes for obvious investment reasons. Freeman at 17 was drafted as the future franchise QB for Tampa. Too young to remember Maddox, but appears he was drafted to sit under Elway when Elway was only 32. Kizer was drafted at the end of the 2nd round because the value was good for a talented prospect. The thinking was likely "maybe he can be the guy", not "this is our guy"

With a likely #1 overall pick on the roster next year, Kizer isn't going to have the luxury of time to figure it out. If he's the Week 1 starter, Jimmy Haslam and the fans are going to be calling for his head after his first interception.

Anyway, I agree that he shouldn't be traded for peanuts. But hard to have any real expectations for him becoming something with the Cleveland Browns.

 

[Ohio]

How did Darnold actually look in Cotton Bowl? I see he threw for a lot of yards and only one TD, but that’s stats.

Did he LOOK like a #1 pick in that specific game?

It's tough to evaluate because he had no OL and essentially no running game. Those things considered I thought he looked pretty solid. Made a couple mistakes but also had a few absolutely perfect throws to beat good coverage. But when you're all alone out there, mistakes are inevitable. I thought he showed good toughness hanging in there despite that.

 

[AZ_]

Previous to Kizer, 5 of the 7 players were #1 overall picks, who are given long leashes for obvious investment reasons. Freeman at 17 was drafted as the future franchise QB for Tampa. Too young to remember Maddox, but appears he was drafted to sit under Elway when Elway was only 32. Kizer was drafted at the end of the 2nd round because the value was good for a talented prospect. The thinking was likely "maybe he can be the guy", not "this is our guy"

With a likely #1 overall pick on the roster next year, Kizer isn't going to have the luxury of time to figure it out. If he's the Week 1 starter, Jimmy Haslam and the fans are going to be calling for his head after his first interception.

Anyway, I agree that he shouldn't be traded for peanuts. But hard to have any real expectations for him becoming something with the Cleveland Browns.

It was amazing to me how little Hue Jackson did to help his rookie QB along the way, which I guess sort of explains the 0-fer

That said, I don't think it's presumed for Kizer's Cleveland career to be ruined for the duration. If he steps back on the field and performs, the fans won't give a shit about this year any more than LA fans couldn't forgive Goff after getting an actual coach turned his career in the right direction.

Of course, we still have the same head coach...

So 2018 probably isn't that year either.

 

[boxxer]

I wanted Kizer to play from the start, thought he was by far the best option on the roster. But for fuck sakes...his accuracy and touch are shit and I'm not sure those improve that much over time...you either have it or you don't. I also don't think he sees the field well enough or has the type of anticipation needed to succeed in this league.
I hope he gets the opportunity to sit and learn next year and then he can fight it out with our number 1 pick. Qb's always get hurt here, so I'm sure he will have the opportunity in the future to give it another go...and I hope he makes the most of that opportunity.

 

[boxxer]

On a side note, why didn't Hue take some tips on what the Rams were doing and bring them up to the line quickly and make the calls for Kizer...Jesus...give him a chance.

 

[CBBI]

How did Darnold actually look in Cotton Bowl? I see he threw for a lot of yards and only one TD, but that’s stats.

Did he LOOK like a #1 pick in that specific game?

He looked like he’s looked all season IMO.

High end tools. He has a loopy release, but it’s not deal breaker slow. Definitely has the ability to make throws that truly make you say “wow!”, but he’s painfully inexperienced and his terrible OL led to some shoddy mechanics, especially with his legs and feet.

It’s hard to evaluate any QB that gets sacked eight times and is hurried over 20 times, but he hung in there and played tough.

 

[Urban]

It was amazing to me how little Hue Jackson did to help his rookie QB along the way, which I guess sort of explains the 0-fer

That said, I don't think it's presumed for Kizer's Cleveland career to be ruined for the duration. If he steps back on the field and performs, the fans won't give a shit about this year any more than LA fans couldn't forgive Goff after getting an actual coach turned his career in the right direction.

Of course, we still have the same head coach...

So 2018 probably isn't that year either.

Right, but what do you think the odds are of him even getting that chance? Assuming we take a QB at #1 and bring in some sort of veteran, unless we stick with the 3 QBs under 24 and limited game action plan that worked out so well, do you think Kizer is the Week 1 starter?

The #1 pick will be Dorsey's guy and the team will be x20 more invested in him than Kizer. Hue already doesn't think highly of Kizer. And then he has to perform immediately, which I'm skeptical of, even if Hue is miraculously fired in the coming weeks. Lot of obstacles in his way from succeeding in Cleveland.

 

[AZ_]

Right, but what do you think the odds are of him even getting that chance? Assuming we take a QB at #1 and bring in some sort of veteran, unless we stick with the 3 QBs under 24 and limited game action plan that worked out so well, do you think Kizer is the Week 1 starter?

The #1 pick will be Dorsey's guy and the team will be x20 more invested in him than Kizer. Hue already doesn't think highly of Kizer. And then he has to perform immediately, which I'm skeptical of, even if Hue is miraculously fired in the coming weeks. Lot of obstacles in his way from succeeding in Cleveland.

I'd have never thought Kirk Cousins would eventually be the guy after RGIII's Rookie of the Year opener. You really just never know.

 

[CBBI]

I don’t think it’s likely at all he would come out on top, but Kizer should be afforded the opportunity to at least compete for the starting job next year. No reason not to.

 

[Kiddo]

I wanted Kizer to play from the start, thought he was by far the best option on the roster. But for fuck sakes...his accuracy and touch are shit and I'm not sure those improve that much over time...you either have it or you don't. I also don't think he sees the field well enough or has the type of anticipation needed to succeed in this league.
I hope he gets the opportunity to sit and learn next year and then he can fight it out with our number 1 pick. Qb's always get hurt here, so I'm sure he will have the opportunity in the future to give it another go...and I hope he makes the most of that opportunity.

Almost every single 21 year old QB can and will improve in both of these categories. They're mental game also improves most of the time. Goff's completion % last year was same as Kizer's this year yet he improved 8 percentage pts this year to 62%. I'm not saying Kizer can rebound similar to Goff but their rookie numbers are not that different. I think if the new Offensive Coordinator would tailor a system that fits Kizer and also runs the ball half the time his completion % could jump to the 60% range.

 

[buzzdog]

My wish list for the QB position;

1) Sign the best available FA veteran QB who will come here. On the extreme slim to none chance we could lure Cousins that would allow us to pass on drafting a high QB but I don't think that's happening. I wish we could have gotten Jimmy G. Now I'm just happy with the best available FA and I'd be willing to promise 1 full season of starting duty for Smith, Keenum or Taylor. Next tier down I'd make them compete.

2) Draft Darnold or Mayfield. If Dorsey was high on Rosen and if Rosen was willing to take on the Browns challenge then I would say draft him, but none of that seems to be the case. After watching this week Darnold still seems to be the most NFL ready QB with the highest upside but I would want Dorsey to insist that he sit behind the veteran for a whole season a-la Goff.

3) Keep and groom Kizer. He could still be good someday, and there are usually injury opportunities to be had.