Cleveland Browns Quarterback Position

[The Wizard of Moz]

just like Larry Nance

Fuck it, that’s all I need to hear

I’m switching to Allen

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I don't know man, I'm really hoping the two become arch enemies.

Battle of the goddam century.

Stat versus Sport.

Man versus Coach.

Pissed-off versus Good-natured.

"I get all my stats from the radio and that damn Mary Kay needs to stick to ironing." versus "To be sincere, I can only buy my jeans at Buckle aka I have thick meaty thighs lol."

This might be my favorite post on this site

Brian Shaw is also a top 1 relief pitcher

 

[thestatman]

This might be my favorite post on this site

Brian Shaw is also a top 1 relief pitcher

Brian Shaw had the 9th worst ERA on the tribe last season. Tribe's pitching will be markedly better this year without him. Plus Francona will have to recruit a new ass kissing cribbage partner.

 

[dark2332]

Brian Shaw had the 9th worst ERA on the tribe last season. Tribe's pitching will be markedly better this year without him. Plus Francona will have to recruit a new ass kissing cribbage partner.

Interesting.

What say you on the subject @sportscoach ?

 

[Sebastian]

My God. This is getting good.

 

[Stark]

Finally just did my research on the top-6 guys. Give me the kid out of Wyoming or UCLA if (when) we take a QB first. I’m not a big fan of Darnold, especially after watching him get cooked by a Buckeye defense sans Denzel Ward.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Finally just did my research on the top-6 guys. Give me the kid out of Wyoming or UCLA if (when) we take a QB first. I’m not a big fan of Darnold, especially after watching him get cooked by a Buckeye defense sans Denzel Ward.

He got cooked by the defense because he had, on average, 0.000273 seconds to get the pass off before faced with immense pressure

 

[Stark]

He got cooked by the defense because he had, on average, 0.000273 seconds to get the pass off before faced with immense pressure

Yeah that’s true. I just never was a huge fan even prior to that game. I’d rather we shy away from him not because I think he’ll be bad, but because I think Allen/Rosen will be better.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Yeah that’s true. I just never was a huge fan even prior to that game. I’d rather we shy away from him not because I think he’ll be bad, but because I think Allen/Rosen will be better.

That’s fair. I just don’t think he could’ve reasonably done that much better in that bowl game. The pick 6 was grotesquely ugly and a really bad decision, but other than that he was just under constant immediate duress and I don’t think many QBs could’ve done much with how bad his line let him down

 

[Ohdang]

The guy they groom for the future is a pretty safe bet.

I want to believe this.

So badly...

 

[Midwestcav]

That’s fair. I just don’t think he could’ve reasonably done that much better in that bowl game. The pick 6 was grotesquely ugly and a really bad decision, but other than that he was just under constant immediate duress and I don’t think many QBs could’ve done much with how bad his line let him down

It is a pretty deep draft, I think the top 4 picks should do well. Maybe more. I hope the Browns get a bridge qb. Too many qb's get thrown in the fire and are out of the league in two years. Darnold and Allen are roommates at Palmers qb clinic. Manziel was working out with them also. One of the most impressive things about Allen besides his arm is how fast and strong he is. He usually had defensive players in the backfield with him right after he took the snap. He is great at sitting up in the pocket and moving where the pressure isn't. It could be forward , backward, or to the side. He would only take off running if he had to. He usually goes through his progressions. But what I liked most about him is he is so stron that when a defender has him in their grasp, he shrugs them off. Plus he is used to cold weather and has 17 1/2 " hands. Hardly ever loses the ball. And he doesn't back down from contact, even though he should. He has amazing agility for his size. I feel for any qb who plays in Wyomings sysyem. They will hardly ever get big numbers until coach Bohl gets time to build up his offensive line. We started two freshman, two sophomores and one senior this last year on our line. Our starting running back was a converted linebacker who ran straight up. It was ugly. The receiving corps was pretty bad until the last 3 or 4 games, they then became serviceable. But we had a good defense who tied for most turnovers in div.1. I would like to see Allen go to a team that would sit him his first year, but just happy he is included in the talks of going in the top 4.

 

[sportscoach]

Bob2, I think you need to research and watch film on Allen before making a blanket statement like that. Allen played with a terrible offensive line, who had him on the run most of the year. He is working under the most unimaginative offensive coordinator in college football. Wyoming's game plan is to run it on 1st and 2nd down with a core of running backs that were horrid to say the least. He lost his running back,tight end, and two receivers to the NFL from the year before. Wyoming was almost dead last in offensive output among all div.1 teams. In most cases Allen would get the ball on 3rd and long with the other team bringing everyone but the water boy at him. He faced 8 man fronts from most teams with no running game to set up the passing game. His OC hardly ever went off script and ran on the first two downs. His receivers were some of the worst in the nation, dropping all types of balls. It was a nightmare for a qb with that much talent to come back to. He did it out of loyalty to the coaches and fans. I can't stress enough how bad Wyoming's offensive scheme was. The staff was used to having linemen that could run over the opposition. The OC wouldn't adjust to what team was on the field, he wanted the lack of talent to adjust to his scheme. Whenever Wyoming would get the lead, Wyoming's OC would take the air out of the ball and run it. He never let Allen have a crack at defenses with a lead. Watch the bowl game against Central Michigan, it shows all you need to know. After Allen put the game away with 3 TD passes in the 1st quarter it was boring as hell to watch.

They wouldn't have won 3 games without Allen. Allen was out 2.5 games with a shoulder injury. But he still managed to win 8 games because he finds a way to win. In the losses to Iowa and Oregon, Wyoming was outclassed. Not so much by Iowa, but definitely by Oregon. And that was before Oregon lost their qb and running back. Receivers couldn't get seperation, running backs couldn't run the ball. I don't care what qb you put in for Allen, they wouldn't have had a better completion % than he had. Granted he threw the ball too hard, but got coached up at the Senior Bowl and started taking some heat off the ball. If Allen gets the right coaching and team, there will be a lot of people wishing they had drafted him. Allens head coach also coached Wentz, and he said at this point in their careers that Allen was a bit ahead of Wentz. He said Wentz had more touch on the ball, Allen a better overall athlete with a better arm.

Allen played 1 year of JC ball and almost two years for Wyoming. People are making excuses for Rosen and Darnold and the teams they had to play behind. Allen would have flourished under that type of talent. He had way more pressure on him than they ever imagined. The 2nd half of the Senior Bowl Allen had his way with passing and running the ball. He showed touch, pocket presence, escapability, and a cannon for an arm with guys he never played with before. Mayfield only wanted to play a few series, afraid he would show his weaknesses. Allen will compete anywhere with anyone. Put Allen in the Big 12 with Oklahoma and all that talent and he would eat up those weak assed defenses in that conference. I guess if all you are concerned with is completion percentage, no arguing with you. But at least understand why his % is what it is. One other game of note is when we played Boise State at Boise State. We went into the 4th quarter leading that game. Then our OC started trying to run the ball to close out the 4th quarter and got out oached again. Allen can play against good talent, but he does need help. He had some help the Boise game, so we could have won it. Except for our OC. Boise State ended up ranked to end the year. If Allen does do the Combine, he will blow everyone away. They said he was the MVP of the Manning camp, so someone who has played Pro ball knows what they are looking at. And Elway was on the sidelines to see him at the bowl game and at the Senior Bowl. Just wanted to point some things out you may not know. Sorry about the long post. I follow Wyoming sports. So have an insider look at it and their conference.

No one believed me when I said a lot of the stuff you did like a month or so ago lol Honestly he is a lot more talented than the numbers say and he knows how to run a pro style offense. If he is allowed proper time to develop and be a starter he would be a legit NFL QB! Which guy do you compare him too?

 

[FiveThous]

Allen is a day 3 QB

 

[Randolphkeys]

I want to believe this.

So badly...

The Browns have made a habit of taking overrated prospects who were sliding on draft day. Those prospects slid during the draft for good reasons. When on the Browns, their development was stunted by a bad team around them.

The reason I have optimism is that the Browns have better scouts and picking at the top. This pick will be unlike Anderson, Quinn, Frye, Colt, Weeden, Jonny, Kizer, and the other heavily flawed developmental prospects of the past.

How they handle the developmental QB will be the line between the future of the franchise and Tim Couch all over again.

 

[Midwestcav]

No one believed me when I said a lot of the stuff you did like a month or so ago lol Honestly he is a lot more talented than the numbers say and he knows how to run a pro style offense. If he is allowed proper time to develop and be a starter he would be a legit NFL QB! Which guy do you compare him too?

I hate the comparison thing but if I had to pick one it would be a young Ben Rothlesberger (sp). Ben had better stats, but that can come from a lot of things. It was amazing to watch how much he picked up during the Senior Bowl and applied to the game. When he came into the game it was toward the end of the 1st quarter. They have a rule to treat the last 2 minutes of a quarter as a 2 minute drill. So he kind of got thrown into the mix. He had average results. He asked to start the 2nd half and came out and tore it up with a mixture of passes. Your GM was asked about him and the first thing he said is that he was a very nice kid. As in polite and respectful. I am kind of impressed with Dorsey so far. He handled the press pretty well.