We need to know how far in the family tree your region deems acceptable for marriage or just FWB type of situation.
Kidding........ no really. Or not. Testing your humor gauge
The other part of your post seems reasonable. I watched maybe 8 games of Allen, maybe 10, I ain't kept notes for myself in a few years, so I speak from a watcher who would like to truly understand why you feel like you do for Allen. Me personally, I feel he is better suited to Not go in the 1st round unless it were for a team like the pats or Stealers. Even then, he needs some major work. 2nd round is more reasonable with where I think his strengths and weaknesses are. You know, my opinion. And yes I am an expert scout, just like the other million that scout from their couches or if duty calls, the bathroom
I see a lot of Derek Anderson with this kid. Can throw a country mile, but the short and intermediate passes are going to lose you the game.
I was severely unimpressed with his combine performance. Yeah, I know, it was the combine and all the receivers were new to him. I actually like that aspect of the combine, because it gives us a chance to see how quickly the qbs process how the receivers are moving and if the qbs can adjust their throws. Allen didn't impress me as I saw receivers who would be facing big injuries coming across the middle with his placement.
I wish the kid nothing but the best, as he seems like the ideal ideal prospect with his character. But, I agree with you, I don't see him becoming successful for the browns because we don't have the luxury of waiting 3-4 years before he should be the face of a team
Thanks for a less than hostile reply and an intelligent reason of why Allen is not your guy or why you have doubts. I worry about his short game the most. He has to learn touch, and I think he is answering it. I personally think the combine is a joke. I didn't see anyone who scouted the combine have a problem with his performance, so I don't know where you are coming from on that. The combine is no different than pro day to me. Just more people there. And Allen knows where he has to improve the most, and it is the short game.
I don't understand why the "anti-Allen" people can't understand how much the talent around a guy plays into his preformance. And how much the coaching and scheme play into it. That is huge in my way of thinking. If you know anything about football Norm, I think you have to understand where I am coming from. Just watching his highlight films should give a person enough knowledge that he can do some great shit. But watch where he is making most of the great plays at. He is rolling out , usually because he has legitimate pressure coming. Teams played an 8 man front against us most games. What would most coaches do to beat an 8 man front? You throw the ball! Our OC ran the ball off tackle. He didn't try and even get the edge or use screens or quick hitters across the middle. He ran off tackle and expected Allen to bail him out on 3rd and long. And on third and long teams would bring the heat, and lots of it. So anyone with football knowledge after having this shown or pointed out to them should see what he was up against. And Allen bailed our OC out the first year because he had some talent around him, but this year that was not the case. He had no running backs or receivers to help him. And our great OC never once ran the fullback all year until he got one carry in the bowl game. In a pro offense to top it off. He had to use the fullback as a blocker because our line truly sucked ass.
And our offense is predicated on being able to run the ball. When this staff was at North Dakota State they had a great offensive line. Far better than the one we have at Wyoming. So our OC could get away from his lame call playing with a line like that. But moving up a division he has not adapted. It is a miracle we have gone bowling and won and gotten back to back 8 win seasons. It was probably almost 30 years ago we went to back to back bowl games. So this program knows futility. And Bohl is doing a great job of building a program, and he is not taking shortcuts to do it. I have to give it up to Bohl and Vigen, they have gotten 3 qb's into the NFL in a decade . All from very small programs. But Bohl has to quit being loyal to Vigen and get us a new OC. Vigen can't cut it. It amazes me with Vigen calling the plays that 3 qb's will have gotten to play pro ball under his crappy play calling. And if you watch Wyoming play enough you will see the jr. high pass routes he has installed. No wonder our receivers can't get seperation. The part where they drop touchdowns and other passes that kill drives, is another story.
The way Wyoming uses the clock to shorten the game is another thing that ruins it for Allen or any other quarterback to get good stats. Once Wyoming gets the lead, we run the ball and 3 and out. We play for field position and let the defense win the game for us. Plus the staff didn't go out and get a running back when our running back left for the NFL early . So Allen was without a running back, receivers and a line. Pretty hard to look like an all pro when you have only started 13 games coming into this season.
I will just have to disagree with you on how people see him at the combine , workouts and the Senior bowl. He has improved every week by leaps and bounds. His 1st half of the Senior Bowl he was so-so, but still better than Mayfield. Not by a lot, but better. The 2nd half he rocked it. He answered every question about touch, poise, and made all the passes out there. If you ever watch him in the red zone he is very good. Especially considering what he had to work with. His arm strength serves him well in the red zone. He fits the ball in tight windows the best there. Wyoming never used the middle of the field on pass routes, which is a shame.
When you have a qb with his arm. I feel the anti Allen group are over thinking all the small things and building them up to be more than they are.
NFL teams aren't concerned with it, so why are all the armchair GM's doing it? It is because they don't want him or know enough about him to give him a chance. If the Browns draft him they draft him, it is out of our hands. I think NFL teams ruin good quarterbacks all the time because they insert them into the lineup hoping it will save their jobs. In the old days it was an investment when you drafted a qb. I don't know enough about Kizer to give much of an opinion, but it would have been better to have eased him into the future qb.
Knowing that the Browns have contributed to sacraficing quarterbacks who might have had a decent shot at helping a team if they had been given time to adjust to the NFL. I just don't want Allen or others to be added to that list. I am glad Dorsey was smart enough to bring in a transition qb. Cleveland has had more than their share of losing. I always root for underdogs and want the Browns to be successful. I hope this clears up a little more of why I defend Allen. I just don't think a lot of people on this board are being open about him as a qb. If he didn't have a shitload of good qualities , he wouldn't be in the running. And people who say he is as bad as they think, aren't being very realistic. You don't pick a kid that is a junior, out of a school and conference like Wyoming, to be a possible number one just because he throws the ball a long way and is tall. Teams are not that stupid.
Go take a look at the rosters in the NFL and look at the quarterbacks. How many fit the description of P5 players who were supposed to go high in the draft? Not many. You see a lot of the starters names and realize you never heard of them before, and they weren't drafted in the first two rounds. That Wentz was not a universal choice and he got the same treatment Allen is getting. People saying he played in a lower conference, another tall qb, won't be in the league long, etc, etc. How many on this board thought Wentz was the real deal? How about most of the starters in the NFL? Look at Goff and all the people who said he was a bust? He gets a new coach and OC, and presto, a Pro Bowl qb. So why can't Josh Allen so the same? Get a new coach, a system built around his talents, and put him in a position to succeed. Give him at least a year to succeed and then ease him in.
My money is on Allen. I just hope he goes to a team that realizes if they do it right that he can be another Rothlesburger or type of qb who can be there the next 10 to 15 years. Maybe the Browns will be that. So far Dorsey is building a team, not taking shortcuts. But Darnold may be the best fit for Cleveland. You guys deserve a break and a winner from what I know of Cleveland fans . For all the losing you guys don't give up on your team. Kind of like Wyoming fans do for UW. So I have a respect for that. Sorry this is long as hell, I just want to answer your question and clear things up.
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