yeah yeah those thoughts are reasonable , but no matter how I look at it, I can't get past the fact there were better fits they could have taken that had just as much upside as Garland and so taking him sure looks like trade bait even if it's just another player who can play regardless of position excuse
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According to Altman they had a wide drop off between Garland and the players selected after five. So maybe they didn't view Culver as a fit because of his poor 3 Point shooting, or Reddish because of how raw he is. Coby White is more similar to Sexton then Garland is. Who would you have rather had? The team clearly believes in Garland and Sexton they wouldn't be parading them around like they are if they didn't. Why are you so down on the team for doing the smart thing and taking BPA instead of trying to just take the best fit? When your rebuilding you want the best talent period. Figure fit out once you have a star to build around. Garland has potential to be the centerpiece of a team, Sexton does not.
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I think the Cavs did what was right for the organization by taking BPA. I wouldn't say that Sexton doesn't have the potential to be a centerpiece player and Garland does. It's more that Sexton hasn't proven to be that guy yet and that's why you take BPA.
It kind of surprising that Griff would build around Zion with all these role players when Zion hasn't played a minute in the league. He might be kicking himself in a year or two that he squandered the best asset from the AD trade in #4 to trade down for Hayes and Alexander-Walker. If Zion doesn't have a star running mate down the road, Griff trading down from #4 will always be brought up.
As for the Hawks, they hedged their bet by taking Hunter who will be solid and they lucked into Reddish falling to #10 which gives them a high upside guy. If Reddish doesn't pan out though, will Hunter look like the right pick a couple years down the road. How far can the Hawks go with Trae Young and a bunch of role players.
At the end of the day, the NBA has really moved to being a league that you need multiple stars to win. Building around one star when you had the potential to add more star talent just doesn't seem like the right route to go. I'm happy that Koby wasn't the GM to think he needed to draft for fit with the #5 pick.
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If either Garland or White (The two players I felt fit best with Zion) become Stars Griffin will likely never heard the end of it. Garland is an excellent shooter who can play on or off the ball. Lonzo is big enough to cover SG next to Garland but Lonzo could still be the primary facilitator. NAW and Hayes will be solid enough players but neither does what Zion is going to need which is stretch the floor. Hayes just clogs the paint up even more. Zion and Hayes will be a terror defensively but Hayes is the worst type of player you can have next to Zion without having knock down shooters at PG SG and SF. Really and odd move by Griffin and hes getting all kinds of praise. I guess if you get Zion you win, but the other picks he made were just head scratchers. They will have roles but NAW maxes out as a supersub and Hayes is a defensive anchor who maxes out as a Clint Capela or DeAndre Jordan which isn't ideal next to Lonzo, Ingram, Zion.
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I wonder if Griff actually wanted Hayes or thought someone other than Reddish of the project top 8 was going to drop to him. To me it feels like a miscalculation and he expected to get Culver or Coby White at #8 and had to settle for Hayes because Reddish with Zion didn't work at Duke and Hachimura/PJ Washington/Sekou all play PF like Zion is expect to play.
Honestly they should have taken Sekou or Reddish. Go Big or go home. He played it safe the whole night. He won the draft cause of Zion. But hes really got a odd bunch surrounding him. Jrue - Lonzo - Ingram - Zion - Hayes just feels weird. Who is the consistent 3 point threat to spread the floor? None of Jrue, Lonzo, Ingram are even consistent threats from deep. The numbers for Ingram are shocking Dude averaged 18 PPG very efficiently I might add but only hit .6 threes per game at 330 percent. Griffin is forgetting hes building around Zion, he loves Lonzo too apparently. If you want Lonzo and Zion to be successful what you need is dead eye shooters around them.
fort starters I like Garland and I do think he was one of the highest ceiling players available that also has a high floor. ( both based on offense only)
I don't buy that they think the drop off was that significant for high ceiling options but maybe for higher floor one's since there really were none with high floors left with the same ceiling as Garland.
However after all of that his ceiling is not superstar like at all. He has the potential to be a high level versatile scoring threat with a high % of makes that defenses will have to honor.
I don't see him as better than Sexton on ball at all when it comes to defense or passing which were the only things Sexton needs work on.
I think Garland was picked to be and his value remains high for trade purposes not for on court impact in Cleveland. If he stays it's going to be a long rebuild because that means last years pick was a waste and traded for chump change after being replaced after 1 year or they are playing together and doing well but not able to get stops and impact outcomes with their defense.
Garland is both a better shooter and a vastly superior ball handler to Collin Sexton and is a year younger. When it comes to passing neither of them can pass currently. When it comes to defense name one top guard thats actually a good defender? Don't give me Westbrook hes a crap defender that racks up defensive stats because he takes far too many risks. Kyrie Irving terrible defender, Damian Lillard terrible defender, Stephen Curry terrible defender, Kemba Walker terrible defender, notice a trend when it comes to scoring Point Guards? None are good defenders. Also if they are going to trade one of them why would they trade the one who has higher offensive potential and is a better handler and shooter today? Sexton vastly improved last year as a shooter but his handles are still behind Garlands and his shot is still ugly and takes a lot of effort. Makes ZERO sense to trade the player with higher upside in the middle of a rebuild. Do you have any actual evidence they are even shopping Garland?
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If Garland becomes an all-star, what happens with Sexton genuinely won't matter.
The NBA is all about finding star talent. Until you have it, don't sweat the ancillary pieces.
wow you must of passed all the bone density tests with flying colors.
You completely off base with your argument here. It's not about which of the two are better at this or that it's that neither are good defenders and so playing them together is far different than Curry next to Klay the only successful back court with one terrible defender and 1 great defender. None of those others have won shit.
Garland has proven nothing at the nba level and yes I will concede he has tighter handles and showed a much more consistent shot in his senior yr of HS. Sexton is already proven at the nba level so if you think they would trade Sexton not Garland it would not be for any reason other than somebody offered more for him.
It might not make sense to you, but if by trading a rookie pg when you are already invested in one from the previous lottery and have greater needs that trading said rookie could satisfy, you do it.
Sexton is the starting pg imo whether Garland stays or goes.
If hes getting traded tell me where and for what. What need does a team tanking need to fill? What we need to do is find a star player. Keep them both and find out which one is better. What the Cavaliers need is players with high upside we don't need to worry about needs. When you worry about needs in this situation you end up like the Phoenix Suns.
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Andrew Wiggins played in Summer League and was traded abruptly afterwards, even after LeBron came back.
Simply put, it's not for trade purposes. Protect the knee at all costs.
Simply put, it's not for trade purposes. Protect the knee at all costs.
I am pretty sure the only person who is convinced hes getting traded is OZone. But he has literally no reasoning as to why hes getting traded. Just keeps ranting about how him and Sexton can't work together and how they must have a deal in place for Garland. Its really odd.
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