Cleveland Indians 2018-2019 Offseason Outlook

[Urban]

Encarnacion's Indians postseason track record is essentially 4 games. The 3 from this season and Game 1 vs. the Yankees last year. Not really going to hold Game 5 against him coming back from a bad ankle sprain 5 days later.

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

No offseason for god awful baseball takes.

What "god awful" takes are those? Lots of delusional brew and homer cookies being consumed around here.

Did 2x Cy Young winner Corey Kluber not post a +20 ERA the past two postseasons combined? Did "superstar" MVP candidate Jose Ramirez not dramatically fail to live up to regular season expectations the past 2 years?

Evidently a lot of people are impervious to truthful talk around here. I'll bet anything that the same people railroading me with red X's are the same poor souls who will be proclaiming J-Ram as the "goat" when he's teeing off against disabled Central pitchers in June.

 

[AZ_]

People not performing in a 5-10 game post season sample and then being labeled as someone who can’t perform in the playoffs is remarkably stupid.

There’s really no other more polite way to say it.

There’s no logic behind saying that since Ramirez struggled in X games in the playoffs that he’ll have a similar run in 2019.

That’s not how baseball works.

 

[Green Demon]

What "god awful" takes are those? Lots of delusional brew and homer cookies being consumed around here.

Did 2x Cy Young winner Corey Kluber not post a +20 ERA the past two postseasons combined? Did "superstar" MVP candidate Jose Ramirez not dramatically fail to live up to regular season expectations the past 2 years?

Evidently a lot of people are impervious to truthful talk around here. I'll bet anything that the same people railroading me with rex X's are the same poor souls who will be proclaiming J-Ram as the "goat" when he's teeing off against disabled Central pitchers in June.

Why come to a part of the board and troll when you clearly arent a fan of said team?

 

[Derek]

The concepts of being clutch and choking aren't based in reality.

Playoffs, in any sport, are a small sample size. It's simply not rational to have strong opinions based off what occurs there.

Frankie was a "choker" according to many until he went 2-3 in an 11-3 game 3 ALDS loss. Does that make any sense?

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

Why come to a part of the board and troll when you clearly arent a fan of said team?

Internet strawman 101: I'm "trolling" and "not a fan" because I'm fully willing to point out the Cadillac-sized holes in the Indians' roster, which begin with several of their supposed best players...you know, the guys you lean most heavily on.

W-E-A-K.

 

[Steve_424]

Yu Darvish signed a 6 year, $126 M deal last winter at 31 years old.

Kluber, 32, has 3 years, $50 M remaining on his deal.

Kluber is by far the better pitcher, but Darvish has more years and a higher AAV. So if Kluber hit the open market?

Just wanted to throw that out there for when we talk about his value not only to us but to potential trade partners.

 

[sportscoach]

Yu Darvish signed a 6 year, $126 M deal last winter at 31 years old.

Kluber, 32, has 3 years, $50 M remaining on his deal.

Kluber is by far the better pitcher, but Darvish has more years and a higher AAV. So if Kluber hit the open market?

Just wanted to throw that out there for when we talk about his value not only to us but to potential trade partners.

Kluber can pretty much net us any player we want, he is one of the players in the league with the highest value. Teams will be offering deals for him in the winter meeting without a doubt, but can we replace his value as a starting and as one of the faces of this organization? I feel if we are going to trade a starter it would be Carrasco without a doubt.

Well if you want to rebuild, sure you could get 3 or 4 prospects, but to win now and in the future Gleyber would be a great player to get. he's already proven and only 21. 24 homers, 77 rbi in 123 games. There is signiificantly less risk here compared to prospects in the minors. Heck you could also ask for reliever Chad Greene who is also signed long-term. 2 players that could help us win a title and have control for future years.

You look historically very rarely do you get multiple stars in a trade like the colon trade. We were very successful trading CC and Lee and only got 1 star in each trade (Carrasco and Brantley). To think you're going to get multiple all stars in a trade is wishful thinking.

For me to even merit trading Kluber, you would have to give me back Gleyber, Green, Bird, plus like Sheffield, etc. Maybe something on that order I can see a deal being made, but I would have to be overpaid for Kluber to even think about moving him.

 

[Green Demon]

Internet strawman 101: I'm "trolling" and "not a fan" because I'm fully willing to point out the Cadillac-sized holes in the Indians' roster, which begin with several of their supposed best players...you know, the guys you lean most heavily on.

W-E-A-K.

Nah I'd say your not a fan because I don't think I've ever seen you say 1 positive thing about the team and the only time that you ever show up is to mock or belittle the team or players on said team so as I said you're a troll.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Where did anybody say we wouldn't want Gleyber?

The point is that Kluber would have more value that just Gleyber, way more actually. They would at least have to put Sheffield in there to even get in the vicinity of proper value.

CC and Lee had significantly lower values than Kluber, or any of our other pitchers for that matter, would have right now.

Kluber still has multiple years of team control under a pre-arbitration extension. He's among the most valuable players in the MLB.

Now, you thrown in Kipnis, and despite what many around here believe, he has positive value as well.

I think people just associate Kluber with Lee and CC because they were all Cy young winners

But Kluber is significantly better than CC or Lee was and his contract situation is much more team friendly

Just not comparable situations

 

[DaNewCavs]

David Price has been an all time choker in the playoffs and this year he is going to help the Red Sox win a WS. At least we've seen Kluber have playoff success before. I would not want to give up this talent unless someone was willing to way over-pay.

 

[Randolphkeys]

The Indians section led to several banned members this summer, and many more warnings. The reason is that while the Indians were not one of the top three teams in major league baseball, they were without question in the top quarter of baseball. If posters are unable to be at least even-handed in their posting about the team when it is a success, the staff does not have to keep the overly and needlessly negative posters in activity. We as a staff are very lenient which is why members prefer our site, but clear trolling ruins the website for everyone else.

@JMoneyYourHoney we have had a few discussions about this. It's time to take the hint. I don't have time to do this every month.

 

[Urban]

Back to baseball:

It's obvious but worth saying: the complexity of trading Kluber (or really any member of the rotation) is that the Indians are still a contender and would be looking for MLB-proven & impactful players in return. Contenders interested in our starting pitching would of course prefer to trade away farm talent and not take away from their major league roster.

It seems like every offseason we are linked with the Cubs since they have had a surplus of quality position players and inconsistent pitching. None of their expendable players really intrigue me enough to move someone like Kluber though.

 

[Alpoe]

Kluber can pretty much net us any player we want, he is one of the players in the league with the highest value. Teams will be offering deals for him in the winter meeting without a doubt, but can we replace his value as a starting and as one of the faces of this organization? I feel if we are going to trade a starter it would be Carrasco without a doubt.



For me to even merit trading Kluber, you would have to give me back Gleyber, Green, Bird, plus like Sheffield, etc. Maybe something on that order I can see a deal being made, but I would have to be overpaid for Kluber to even think about moving him.

No team is going to give us that much for Kluber. He is great, no doubt and has a great contract, but the man will be 35 in 2 years. In 2 years we will be losing carrasco and Bauer without any question. Without making significant changes to the lineup, we won't be winning anything in the American League.

Houston just smoked us and Boston shredded their pitching in 5 games. Boston scored as many runs in one inning, as we did in 27. We couldn't do much against new York last year either.

You hold onto Kluber too long, you could miss the chance to cash in on his value while it's still high. Keep on waiting, it will only go lower and you will be stuck with a guy past his prime. If You're content winning the central every year, by all means do nothing and get bounced in the 1st rd next postseason.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

No team is going to give us that much for Kluber.

Lol