Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[Real Deal]

Yikes

 

[Dshuks]

Got a few shots in the second half but still a pretty bad game on both sides of the floor for Colin.

 

[rastamon87]

young bull has been going better and better and to think hes only 19 years old is very promising. the league is drooling over doncic and Sexton has been as impressive or even better since he took the starting role. keep it going young bull!!!!

The thing about Sexton now is that he is still one dimensional... When his offense is off he still doesn't affect the other facets of the game to compensate for his inconsistent offense... Doncic has shown so far a far more well rounded game and intangibles

 

[CBBI]

The thing about Sexton now is that he is still one dimensional... When his offense is off he still doesn't affect the other facets of the game to compensate for his inconsistent offense... Doncic has shown so far a far more well rounded game and intangibles

Doncic was also a pretty much can’t miss prospect who really should have gone 1st overall. If he didn’t have a more well rounded game and higher intangibles than the guy picked 8th it would be a big problem.

 

[Cavatt]

Doncic was also a pretty much can’t miss prospect who really should have gone 1st overall. If he didn’t have a more well rounded game and higher intangibles than the guy picked 8th it would be a big problem.

Still I think if you did a redraft both of those guys go higher I think. That's good news for us.

 

[3 Ball...GOT IT]

Anyone have this article?

https://cleaningtheglass.com/rookie-review-collin-sexton-vs-sacramento/

 

[Douglar]

Yes Sexton has scored some points on his good days. Yes, he's not actively breaking off the team's offense play calling as often as he used to. But there are a lot of stats that don't put Sexton in a good light or suggest that he's helping to win games.

Team stats for players with > 200 minutes:

• He's the last on the team for VORP and BPM
• The Cavs offense is 10 points worse per 100 possessions with him on the floor
• The Cavs defense is 4 points worse per 100 possessions with him on the floor
• Only Cedi has a worse +/- https://www.basketball-reference.co...stat=mp&c1comp=ge&c1val=200&order_by=diff_pts

Here are some rookies class stats for players with >200 minutes--

14 out of 26 for PER - https://www.basketball-reference.co...=Y&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=200&order_by=per

23 out of 26 for WS - https://www.basketball-reference.co...f=Y&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=200&order_by=ws

25 out of 26 for VORP - https://www.basketball-reference.co...Y&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=200&order_by=vorp

One spot where he leads his rookie class in 2pt attempts, so he's got that covered-- https://www.basketball-reference.co...at=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=200&order_by=fg2a_per_g

He also leads all rookies on 3pt%, but he takes so few and almost always in the best situations, it like the coaches doing their best to help him keep a high 3pt% at the expense of winning games. Still, 46% from the 3 is pretty nice.

 

[Cavatt]

Yes Sexton has scored some points on his good days. Yes, he's not actively breaking off the team's offense play calling as often as he used to. But there are a lot of stats that don't put Sexton in a good light or suggest that he's helping to win games.

Team stats for players with > 200 minutes:

• He's the last on the team for VORP and BPM
• The Cavs offense is 10 points worse per 100 possessions with him on the floor
• The Cavs defense is 4 points worse per 100 possessions with him on the floor
• Only Cedi has a worse +/- https://www.basketball-reference.co...stat=mp&c1comp=ge&c1val=200&order_by=diff_pts

Here are some rookies class stats for players with >200 minutes--

14 out of 26 for PER - https://www.basketball-reference.co...=Y&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=200&order_by=per

23 out of 26 for WS - https://www.basketball-reference.co...f=Y&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=200&order_by=ws

25 out of 26 for VORP - https://www.basketball-reference.co...Y&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=200&order_by=vorp

One spot where he leads his rookie class in 2pt attempts, so he's got that covered-- https://www.basketball-reference.co...at=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=200&order_by=fg2a_per_g

He also leads all rookies on 3pt%, but he takes so few in the most beneficial spots, it almost like the coaches are helping him inflate his 3pt%.

I appreciate this, but I take it with a major grain of salt as he has gotten better nearly every game. He has taken more 3's the past few games and appears more comfy doing it.

His stats from last week are different from now let alone last month or the beginning of the season.

Are there any "improvement stats" because he has improved better than any rookie since the beginning of the year and his stats while starting are very good.

He was called "raw as hell" coming into the year. How well do advanced stats do on raw as hell players?

 

[Douglar]

How well do advanced stats do on raw as hell players?

They usually point out that they are raw as hell !!!

Colin does seem like he's taking more steps forward than backward, so that's good.

Once we get to 42 games, I'll draw up some season splits so we can see how much he's improved.

 

[J_J]

I have been enthusiastic about Sexton before the draft.

The one concern I had with him is if he can find the open man as he is not used to having talented players on his team as well as his vision. Beginning of the season, Sexton passed the ball too late or holds the ball too long causing the opposing team set its defense again. It was a problem that resulted a bad shot. He has been much better in taking action right away where it is driving to the hoop, shoot, or pass.

Next problem he faced is the vision when driving to the basket. He was not able to find the open man underneath but recently he is taking advantage of his quickness and deciding whether to pass underneath or take the floater which he has been getting more comfortable with or a quick layup, or a quick mid range.

Lots of progress since the season started.

Next step for Sexton is to be able to dish to the open man at the perimeter when he drives to the basket. Maybe when Love comes back, Sexton may be able to overcome this and extend his vision. I want him to become a 23pt6ast player, not a 28pts3ast player.

I think he can - just give him some time.

 

[avs2000]

I have been enthusiastic about Sexton before the draft.

The one concern I had with him is if he can find the open man as he is not used to having talented players on his team as well as his vision. Beginning of the season, Sexton passed the ball too late or holds the ball too long causing the opposing team set its defense again. It was a problem that resulted a bad shot. He has been much better in taking action right away where it is driving to the hoop, shoot, or pass.

Next problem he faced is the vision when driving to the basket. He was not able to find the open man underneath but recently he is taking advantage of his quickness and deciding whether to pass underneath or take the floater which he has been getting more comfortable with or a quick layup, or a quick mid range.

Lots of progress since the season started.

Next step for Sexton is to be able to dish to the open man at the perimeter when he drives to the basket. Maybe when Love comes back, Sexton may be able to overcome this and extend his vision. I want him to become a 23pt6ast player, not a 28pts3ast player.

I think he can - just give him some time.

I think people forget he is 19 with one year of college experience and was the 8th pick of the draft, not #1

Very happy with him so far. Stuff to work on but that will come with his work ethic and simply more experience

At this point I am more worried about cedi then sexton. Cedi needs to slow down and stop trying to score 6 points on every possession. Keepmoving and let the opportunities come to you. Do not try to be fancy and make LBJ passes

 

[TitleTown]

They usually point out that they are raw as hell !!!

If stats are used to simply show obvious insights or things we already knew, then they're just data porn. See: "How to Lie with Statistics."

In other words, those stats don't tell us anything...yet.

 

[Dr. Claw]

I think people forget he is 19 with one year of college experience and was the 8th pick of the draft, not #1

Very happy with him so far. Stuff to work on but that will come with his work ethic and simply more experience

At this point I am more worried about cedi then sexton. Cedi needs to slow down and stop trying to score 6 points on every possession. Keepmoving and let the opportunities come to you. Do not try to be fancy and make LBJ passes

Yep. We don't need him to be LBJ, we need him to be more of a Trevor Ariza that can pass and things

 

[Douglar]

If stats are used to simply show obvious insights or things we already knew, then they're just data porn. See: "How to Lie with Statistics."

In other words, those stats don't tell us anything...yet.

After 800 minutes on the floor, I think the stats tell us pretty clearly that the Cavs offense has frequently stalled & gone cold when Sexton is on the floor. The team's assist rate only drops a bit when he comes into the game, but big problem is that the Cavs FG% drops by 3% while the opponents FG% goes up by the same amount. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sextoco01/on-off/2019

Clarkson stifles the offense a bit but doesn't hurt the teams shooting as much, and the defensive improvement with Clarkson on the floor is big enough that the team as a whole actually plays slightly above its low average. That says something, considering how many minutes he shared with Sexton in the first dozen games. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/clarkjo01/on-off/2019

Larry Jr. has had a streak of 5 good games that pulled him out of the basement. He's only third worst on +/- now.

Cedi has the worst +/- now, but with him, almost all of the pain is on the defensive side. Opponent ORTG = 124 with Cedi on the floor, which is just about the same as saying opponents score at will when Cedi is in the game. The opponents shoot 8%(!) better, rebound 3% better, and get more assists when Cedi comes in. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/osmande01/on-off/2019

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

After 800 minutes on the floor, I think the stats tell us pretty clearly that the Cavs offense has frequently stalled & gone cold when Sexton is on the floor. The team's assist rate only drops a bit when he comes into the game, but big problem is that the Cavs FG% drops by 3% while the opponents FG% goes up by the same amount. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sextoco01/on-off/2019

Clarkson stifles the offense a bit but doesn't hurt the teams shooting as much, and the defensive improvement with Clarkson on the floor is big enough that the team as a whole actually plays slightly above its low average. That says something, considering how many minutes he shared with Sexton in the first dozen games. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/clarkjo01/on-off/2019

Cedi still has the worst +/-, but with him, almost all of the pain is on the defensive side. Opponent ORTG = 124 with Cedi on the floor, which is just about saying they score whenever they want. The opponents shoot 8%(!) better, rebound 3% better, and get more assists when Cedi comes in. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/osmande01/on-off/2019

Larry Jr. has had a streak of 5 good games that pulled him out of the basement. He's only third worst on +/- now.

Cedi's defensive stats are mind boggling to me..