Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[Dr. Claw]

I don't disagree with this. My response was because someone said that Sexton wasn't as good as Dion. Which I disagree with since Sexton is putting up similar numbers to Dion's rookie season. Sexton is more raw but Dion basically never developed further while he was in a Cavs uniform.

Cavs-era Dion reminds me a little of Clarkson. Only I think Clarkson would be approaching high-grade if not for his one glaring problem: TUNNEL VISION

 

[Cavatt]

Sexton is a better finisher than Dion already. Dion would blow point blank attempts all the time. The lane is so clogged on this team, if Collin got those looks he would make them.

Dion was a sophomore already.

The other thing is that Dion never lacked talent or ability. It was always his brain. I think he has all-star talent, but a gleague head. No one says that about Collin.

If Dion had bought in, we could have beat GS that first year. He wanted LeBron to spot up for him lol.

 

[TyGuy]

Sexton is a better finisher than Dion already. Dion would blow point blank attempts all the time. The lane is so clogged on this team, if Collin got those looks he would make them.

Dion was a sophomore already.

The other thing is that Dion never lacked talent or ability. It was always his brain. I think he has all-star talent, but a gleague head. No one says that about Collin.

If Dion had bought in, we could have beat GS that first year. He wanted LeBron to spot up for him lol.

Yeah, im going to have to disagree with Dion being an all star level talent. He has point guard size with underwhelming play making ability, average shooting, bad finishing and average at best defense. He's pretty much a replacement level player.

 

[I'mWithDan]

The player don't need to have made all star teams to be good players though. I don't think that should be the qualifier. I listed more good players there in that range that haven't made all star teams. You have really high end impact guys like Sabonis and Adams that weren't even on your list. Then you have some solid role players in Taureen Prince recently picked there and possible future all stars in Booker, Turner, Mitchell that were again absent from your list. Hell, if we expand the range to 15 now you have Giannis and Kawhi.

My argument is you can get a good player at #8 every year. Maybe not an all star, but a good player. It just so happens that historically whoever has the 8th pick has tends to fuck it up.

As you extend the pick range, you also have to include all the additional picks who washed out, the numbers don't get better. You get Kawhi and Giannis, you also get the 18 other picks that did nothing.

You are grabbing a handful of names in a sea of mush. Even if you loosened the player pool criteria and tripled the draft hits to include role or plus players (which I think would be hard looking at the database), it still means 70% of the time you wash out picking outside the top 7.

Long careered NBA players are really hard to find in the draft in general......really, really, really, really, really, really, really hard to find in the back half of the lottery.

 

[TyGuy]

As you extend the pick range, you also have to include all the additional picks who washed out, the numbers don't get better. You get Kawhi and Giannis, you also get the 18 other picks that did nothing.

You are grabbing a handful of names in a sea of mush. Even if you loosened the player pool criteria and tripled the draft hits to include role or plus players (which I think would be hard looking at the database), it still means 70% of the time you wash out picking outside the top 7.

Long careered NBA players are really hard to find in the draft in general......really, really, really, really, really, really, really hard to find in the back half of the lottery.

You're moving the goal posts here. My only argument was that you can get a good player at #8 in virtually every draft and that the only reason historically the 8th pick hasn't turned out that well is because teams screwed it up by passing on good players that were available at this selection.

 

[I'mWithDan]

You're moving the goal posts here. My only argument was that you can get a good player at #8 in virtually every draft and that the only reason historically the 8th pick hasn't turned out that well is because teams screwed it up by passing on good players that were available at this selection.

Yes, generally speaking, 1-2 teams out of 22 get a good player each draft in that range. The odds are still terrible. I don’t know how you define that as moving the goalposts? You are making a really casual argument here and ignoring the actual success rates of picks in the slot range we took Sexton in. You are ignoring the vast majority of outcomes to try to make an argument and I’m not understanding why or what the point of doing so is?

The guys you are referring to are almost always red flag players or guys who are so insanely raw (Giannis as a baby beanpole) they are impossibly hard to project. 8 is a black hole because it is the first obvious plateau when looking at prospect data. There is a massive fall off in the quality of prospect. That’s why you see the wild distribution of star and all star level players across that second band of draft slots. It’s just a conglomerate of guys who nobody can accurately assess on a year to year basis.

Can you in theory get lucky? Yes. Has anyone exhibited they have a system or way to accurately identify who succeeds and who fails in that range? No. I’m not arguing anything else here......I’m arguing the data and how that data flies in the face of people’s expectations of the pick in that range.

 

[cabs]

his release is a mess atm

 

[David.]

Remember saying this about Dion. The one thing he does is score and he isn't very good at it

 

[inliner311]

his release is a mess atm

Ever since they asked him to lay off the shooting sessions, his shot has gone to shit. I think it's part of his routine and it seems dumb to mess with it when it was working for him.

 

[Dshuks]

Ever since they asked him to lay off the shooting sessions, his shot has gone to shit. I think it's part of his routine and it seems dumb to mess with it when it was working for him.

Our stellar player development system strikes again!

 

[inliner311]

Our stellar player development system strikes again!

I know they said they asked him to lay off the shooting sessions to save his legs but this seems alot like changing Hood's shooting stance when he was a 40% 3 pt shooter last season.

I don't think we saw Sexton slowing down at all so it was puzzling that they thought he needed to save his legs.

 

[mhi]

PSA: Our boy turned 20 today (according to Vardon) so no more teenager or he's 19 talk.

That boy grown now!!

 

[SVC]

Ugh...not good at the moment

 

[Douglar]

I wasn’t trying to discuss the value of the 8th pick or whether the Cavs should have picked someone else. I was saying that Sexton is worse than most rookies who play significant minutes in the NBA. He is worse than many players that were considered busts. He can turn it around I suppose, but for the past few weeks, he has been “not turning it arround”.

 

[Dr. Claw]

the way these games are going for the Cavs = 2.5 quarters of functional basketball, 1.5 quarters of pure rubbish.... makes me feel this will be "incomplete".