Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[Jordan]

Agree it's unlikely that Sexton becomes a competent point guard, but it's not unheard of for a player to be a late bloomer in that department. Looking around at the All-NBA guards, you have Curry and Harden on the first team, Lillard and Irving on the second team, and Westbrook and Kemba on the third team. Out of all of them, Kyrie and Westbrook are the only two who were obviously better floor generals than Sexton at the same age. Last year DeRozan and Oladipo were All-NBA guards, and they were even more raw at age 20. That's not to say Sexton will follow the same development curve as those guys, but I don't think he's been so hopeless that you can rule it out either.

Right, but you could also point to all the players with Sexton's rookie numbers who did not become all-NBA facilitating guards.

And I also do not think many posters are saying he is hopeless. I've been pretty critical of Sexton, but frankly, I think he has all-star potential as a scoring guard. Most people on here believe he can be a really nice contributor on a playoff team.

 

[Cavatt]

Right, but you could also point to all the players with Sexton's rookie numbers who did not become all-NBA facilitating guards.

And I also do not think many posters are saying he is hopeless. I've been pretty critical of Sexton, but frankly, I think he has all-star potential as a scoring guard. Most people on here believe he can be a really nice contributor on a playoff team.

I think that is why you have hope of him becoming more of a threat as a playmaker. As he get double and triple teamed to stop his scoring, that pass will be open all day. People make a lot of Curry's passing, but he isn't a Trae Young style passer, he passes in response to his gravity. I do think that type of drive and kick passing can be taught and if you become a good enough scorer, you have to do it, or you end up being Clarkson. I mean even Clarkson has some assists from being double teamed.

In fact that was where Collin was showing progress right before the season ended. He was starting to get doubled and he was kicking to the corner or passing out of the double. That last game of the season they were trapping him, so he got 10 assists. That was encouraging.

Before that, when he was making his run, no one was stopping him so he just scored. I think that is something to be optimistic about.

 

[Jordan]

I think that is why you have hope of him becoming more of a threat as a playmaker. As he get double and triple teamed to stop his scoring, that pass will be open all day. People make a lot of Curry's passing, but he isn't a Trae Young style passer, he passes in response to his gravity. I do think that type of drive and kick passing can be taught and if you become a good enough scorer, you have to do it, or you end up being Clarkson. I mean even Clarkson has some assists from being double teamed.

In fact that was where Collin was showing progress right before the season ended. He was starting to get doubled and he was kicking to the corner or passing out of the double. That last game of the season they were trapping him, so he got 10 assists. That was encouraging.

Before that, when he was making his run, no one was stopping him so he just scored. I think that is something to be optimistic about.

I agree... I think Sexton's best role will be as a secondary facilitator. That's what Curry does.

Sexton is a guy that I do not necessarily want being the primary guy determining how a play runs. His limited vision and aggressive play style means that, as a primary facilitator, he's going to have a lot of turnovers.

But if Sexton can be a secondary facilitator then I think he can really shine.

 

[Nathan S]

Right, but you could also point to all the players with Sexton's rookie numbers who did not become all-NBA facilitating guards.

And I also do not think many posters are saying he is hopeless. I've been pretty critical of Sexton, but frankly, I think he has all-star potential as a scoring guard. Most people on here believe he can be a really nice contributor on a playoff team.

Yeah, I'm just disagreeing with the people saying Sexton's best role going forward is SG or 6th-man. Doesn't make sense to put a low ceiling on him after the rookie season he had.

 

[NMCav]

Yeah, I'm just disagreeing with the people saying Sexton's best role going forward is SG or 6th-man. Doesn't make sense to put a low ceiling on him after the rookie season he had.

Right now if he doesn't progress as a facilitator I see him progressing into a Lou Williams type player. Which to me is a compliment for a player. Being a 6th man really isn't always a bad thing. Fred Van Vleet played a big role this year for Raptors, Iggy was damn good for Warriors off the bench (Not comparing him to Iggy just saying 6th men can impact the game). The Clippers two best players this year arguably Lou Williams and Montrezl Harrell both came off the bench. I am not saying lets pigeon hole him as a SG or 6th man right now. But I am saying its not a bad thing if he does become a SG or Sixthman.

 

[Jordan]

Yeah, I'm just disagreeing with the people saying Sexton's best role going forward is SG or 6th-man. Doesn't make sense to put a low ceiling on him after the rookie season he had.

It's also not unrealistic for him to be one of those guys that splits time between being the lead facilitator and a two-guard. CJ McCollum, Steph Curry, etc. all play that type of role. And I am not saying Sexton will be that good, just that in general, it is not an uncommon thing to see.

 

[Nathan S]

Right now if he doesn't progress as a facilitator I see him progressing into a Lou Williams type player. Which to me is a compliment for a player. Being a 6th man really isn't always a bad thing. Fred Van Vleet played a big role this year for Raptors, Iggy was damn good for Warriors off the bench (Not comparing him to Iggy just saying 6th men can impact the game). The Clippers too best players this year arguably Lou Williams and Montrezl Harrell both came off the bench. I am not saying lets pigeon hole him as a SG or 6th man right now. But I am saying its not a bad thing if he does become a SG or Sixthman.

Agree that if he doesn't progress as a facilitator he's a 6th man at best. I'm saying it should be a priority to help him progress as a facilitator however we can. He's not far behind the curve at this point, but he will be if he doesn't work on those skills this year.

It's also not unrealistic for him to be one of those guys that splits time between being the lead facilitator and a two-guard. CJ McCollum, Steph Curry, etc. all play that type of role. And I am not saying Sexton will be that good, just that in general, it is not an uncommon thing to see.

Could be. But I have a hard time seeing Sexton as a positive-impact player in a lower leverage offensive role. Hard to produce enough offensive value of offset his poor defense if he's not a #1 option.

 

[2 For The Brew]

Yeah, I'm just disagreeing with the people saying Sexton's best role going forward is SG or 6th-man. Doesn't make sense to put a low ceiling on him after the rookie season he had.

I think the whole concept of "ceiling" is vastly overrated. It assumes that an individual's limits as a basketball player can be properly assessed in the first place. In reality there are a ton of factors that determine a player's true limits and some of them are difficult if not impossible to know or measure, particularly some of those between the ears. Even physical limits can be deceptive for 19 year olds -- some players are late bloomers.

Collin proved beyond any doubt that he can improve -- which he did during the season. He's durable and obviously loves the game. He wants to get better.

How good can he be as a basketball player? I'm not talking aspects of the game like shooting, rebounding, passing, defense, etc -- I'm talking about the eventual fully mature player that Collin will be. The whole package.

The answer is -- nobody knows. It's all speculation. But to be honest -- there are advantages to not knowing.

Nothing is better for any fan than to see a kid exceed everyone's expectations. Delly, for example -- his thread in the first few pages is absolutely hilarious as some were so f*cking sure he would never make it in the NBA. Then he plays himself into the hospital helping LeBron win Game 3. Delly ranks #1 in my opinion of Cavaliers who belong in Valhalla or Sto'Vo'Kor. I'm glad he got paid -- overpaid, but a good guy to get extra money.

I enjoyed watching Collin play last season because he was developing right before our eyes. Brett Brown was legitimately afraid of him -- made him #1 on the pregame scouting report. Collin damn near beat the Sixers in Philly, and Philly wanted that game because the Cavaliers had humiliated them in their first home loss earlier in the year.

So I agree -- screw the ceilings. We have a bunch of young bucks under what looks like a pretty good coaching staff of teachers who will help these kids. I'm pumped for the season already.

 

[avs2000]

I think the whole concept of "ceiling" is vastly overrated. It assumes that an individual's limits as a basketball player can be properly assessed in the first place. In reality there are a ton of factors that determine a player's true limits and some of them are difficult if not impossible to know or measure, particularly some of those between the ears. Even physical limits can be deceptive for 19 year olds -- some players are late bloomers.

Collin proved beyond any doubt that he can improve -- which he did during the season. He's durable and obviously loves the game. He wants to get better.

How good can he be as a basketball player? I'm not talking aspects of the game like shooting, rebounding, passing, defense, etc -- I'm talking about the eventual fully mature player that Collin will be. The whole package.

The answer is -- nobody knows. It's all speculation. But to be honest -- there are advantages to not knowing.

Nothing is better for any fan than to see a kid exceed everyone's expectations. Delly, for example -- his thread in the first few pages is absolutely hilarious as some were so f*cking sure he would never make it in the NBA. Then he plays himself into the hospital helping LeBron win Game 3. Delly ranks #1 in my opinion of Cavaliers who belong in Valhalla or Sto'Vo'Kor. I'm glad he got paid -- overpaid, but a good guy to get extra money.

I enjoyed watching Collin play last season because he was developing right before our eyes. Brett Brown was legitimately afraid of him -- made him #1 on the pregame scouting report. Collin damn near beat the Sixers in Philly, and Philly wanted that game because the Cavaliers had humiliated them in their first home loss earlier in the year.

So I agree -- screw the ceilings. We have a bunch of young bucks under what looks like a pretty good coaching staff of teachers who will help these kids. I'm pumped for the season already.

Agree 100%.

 

[Alec]

Right, but you could also point to all the players with Sexton's rookie numbers who did not become all-NBA facilitating guards.

And I also do not think many posters are saying he is hopeless. I've been pretty critical of Sexton, but frankly, I think he has all-star potential as a scoring guard. Most people on here believe he can be a really nice contributor on a playoff team.

How many teenage (and rookie) guards played so many games and shot 40% from 3 with volume? Sexton is alone in this accomplishment, from what I gathered.

I won’t be surprised if I’m surprised again by Sexton.

 

[MoFlo]

View: https://twitter.com/CollinSexton02/status/1144000042694598657?s=19

 

[Mr. Orange]

View: https://twitter.com/CollinSexton02/status/1144000042694598657?s=19

Impressive. But maybe he should hone his muscle memory not standing out of bounds

 

[Mr. Orange]

What's great about Collin is that he is going to push Darius, KPJ and Windler to be great. Sexton puts in the work. These rooks are gonna need to work their assess off because Young Bull is gonna hit his ceiling, whatever it is.

 

[BigErieCavsFan]

Impressive. But maybe he should hone his muscle memory not standing out of bounds

Lol. Read my post in the s34 thread...

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Sexton and Garland should be the best shooting back court in the NBA. At least efficiency wise. If Sexton gets back to drawing a bunch of fouls, he's going to basically being a scoring monster.