ESPN: Hornets may package Collison with poison pill.

[*L-Train*]

How about we do the Boobie, West, and Telfair for Collison and Okafor deal.

Then we do this 3 team trade with the Warriors, and Bucks.

Cavs get:
Michael Redd
Carlos Delfino
#6 pick (from GS)

Bucks get:
Emeka Okafor
Corey Maggette
Brandan Wright

Warriors get:
Mo Williams
Jamario Moon
#15 pick (from Mil. via Chi.)


Obviously Redd has been injured for awhile, but he is a huge expiring that could be used later, maybe together with JJ for a star or w/e. Bucks do this because they get something for a huge expiring similar to what the Rockets did with T-Mac. And the Warriors do this to clear space and gain a good scoring guard that Don Nelson loves, plus the 15th pick to take a big man.

Cavs lineup:
Collison/MLE
Redd/Parker
LeBron/Delfino
Jamison/JJ
Cousins or Monroe (6th pick)/Andy

not a bad trade for us but i doubt that the bucks would take on that much salary (okafor and maggete both have a ton of money left on their contracts)

 

[AMC]

I can't see why Milwaukee does this trade. Yes they get rid of Michael Redd, but Emeka Okafor has a long terrible contract and so is Maggette. In fact, I can't see the Bucks being able to spend over $25 Million on 2 mediocre players in 2012.

not a bad trade for us but i doubt that the bucks would take on that much salary (okafor and maggete both have a ton of money left on their contracts)

Well yes they take on alot of bad contracts, I was close to changing the trade for the Bucks to get Ellis, like this:

REVISED

Cavs get:
Corey Maggette
Charlie Bell
#6 pick

Bucks get:
Monta Ellis
Emeka Okafor

Warriors get:
Michael Redd
Jamario Moon
#15 pick

Like I said in the other post, this is after we trade Boobie, Delonte, and Telfair for Collison and Okafor.

 

[retreataccept]

Collison is also intriguing because you could package him with other young talent to maybe land a legit 2nd option. Contracts plus JJ plus Collison is a lot more attractive than just JJ. Much easier to sell to a fanbase too.

 

[Mazer]

Collison is also intriguing because you could package him with other young talent to maybe land a legit 2nd option. Contracts plus JJ plus Collison is a lot more attractive than just JJ. Much easier to sell to a fanbase too.

Agreed. Collison is a nice young player who I would love to have on the team. That being said, I'm hoping that DG and Grant are aiming a little higher this summer.

 

[Heej]

Collison is also intriguing because you could package him with other young talent to maybe land a legit 2nd option. Contracts plus JJ plus Collison is a lot more attractive than just JJ. Much easier to sell to a fanbase too.

I'd really like that. It's not hard at all for me to see us packaging Collison and JJ for Iggy or Rudy Gay+another prospect. Hell I'd be happy to package those two for simply either one.

 

[mcfly]

I'd really like that. It's not hard at all for me to see us packaging Collison and JJ for Iggy or Rudy Gay+another prospect. Hell I'd be happy to package those two for simply either one.

You could probably get Iguodala with expirings. If not, JJ plus expirings would likely make it happen.

 

[Heej]

You could probably get Iguodala with expirings. If not, JJ plus expirings would likely make it happen.

At this point I'm desperate enough to do that deal. I'd refuse to take on Brand if we have to give up JJ though. I'd take Dalembert off their hands and throw in JJ, but I hope the Sixers don't think they can pawn Brand off on us while stealing JJ. The more I think about it, it seems like Dalembert+Iggy would be our absolute dream scenario.

Iggy would give us the athletic 2 and absolute lockdown defender who's more than capable of making the All Defensive 2nd Team that we've needed for the longest time, and Dalembert is a long athletic center who can make an impact on the defensive end and defend the rim decently. He does have horrible basketball IQ, is constantly in foul trouble, will most likely not live up to his potential, won't ever develop a solid post game, and will be frustrating at times to watch as a fan but I'm alright with that as long as he can be our Kendrick Perkins.

If it comes down to getting Dalembert and Iggy I'd be willing to throw in JJ, Danny Green, Eyenga, and West's expiring because it'll shore up our two weakest positions for the long term. And it'll free us up to bring Boobie off the bench and make use of that ridiculous 3 point shooting. The chances of this happening are so remote I shouldn't even bring it up but fuck it. GET IT DONE GRANT.

 

[Mdog1]

You could probably get Iguodala with expirings. If not, JJ plus expirings would likely make it happen.

Do you mean just iggy or do you mean Iggy and Brand? Because if you mean Iggy and Brand then there is no way in hell we should include JJ, but if you mean just Iggy than I agree.

 

[cavsguy13]

I agree with what has been said. Collison is nice, but objectively, would you rather play with Noah and Rose or Okafor and Collison? Im not saying Lebron will go to Chicago. Personally I feel he will re-up with us for 3 years. If we havent won after that point, he is gone. But we have to make a big move. It doesnt have to be Bosh. But we need a legit all star. Not Mo Williams. Not an all star 5 years ago. No has beens, have nots, overpriced veterans. With all due respect to Antawn and Shaq, I dont want another 34 year old making 14 million or 38 year old making 20 million. I want a guy under 30 unless his name is Kobe who is a legit 2nd option and all star. For once. Idc what position he plays. Grant and Gilbert, make it happen.

 

[Mdog1]

^ I agree with the latter statement, but would I rather play with Rose or Collison if I was LeBron, well I would rather play with Collison if last year wasn't just a sherade. Rose is a ball dominant guard with not a very good jump shot and the Bulls literally have no spacing which LeBron needs if he is to be optimized. Sure Okafor isn't as good as Noah, but Noah isn't as good as Jamison. A team with spacing is what LeBron needs, if we were to get a 40% three point shooter that is 21 that would be better than a 21 year old 30% shooter.

 

[sherwin7]

Well I don't usually post possible trade scenarios here (or anywhere for that matter) but one came to mind that I thought, considering all the speculation lately, might be at least somewhat plausible enough to offer to you all. I wanted to get some of your opinions since I think the members of this forum can grasp trade realism better than on most other NBA forums (cavfanatic, realgm, etc.). So without further ado here is my 3-way trade offer:

Cavs:
Outgoing - Mo Williams, Jamario Moon, Daniel Gibson, Delonte West, Sebastion Telfair, 2011 Second Round Pick, Cash
Incoming - Andres Nocioni, Beno Udrih, Darren Collison, Emeka Okafor

Kings:
Outgoing - Adres Nocioni, Beno Udrih, #5 Pick
Incoming - Mo Williams, Jamario Moon, #11 Pick, 2011 Second Round Pick

Hornets:
Outgoing - Darren Collison, Emeka Okafor, #11 Pick
Incoming - Daniel Gibson, Delonte West, Sebastion Telfair, #5 Pick, Cash (Presumably to pay the $500K owed to West)

Our New Line-Up

PG: Darren Collison/Beno Udrih
SG: Anthony Parker/Andres Nocioni/Danny Green
SF: LeBron James/Andres Nocioni/Antawn Jamison
PF: Antawn Jamison/JJ Hickson/Leon Powe
C: Emeka Okafor/Anderson Varejao

I've obviously combined the rumors of trading Mo to the Kings and taking on Udrih and Nocioni with the speculation of the Hornets trading Collison with Okafor.

Most people here wanted to get the #5 pick from the Kings in this trade which I couldn't really see happening giving up what people suggested we give up. So to entice them to give it up I had them moving down to 11 and picking up an extra second rounder for next year.

In this trade the Hornets now have even more incentive to move Collison while getting a backup PG (Gibson), expiring contracts for someone to take Okafor, and moving up from 11 to 5, which might be enough for them to part with Collison.

I'm pretty certain that everything works out money wise in this trade as well. While I'd love to hear your opinion on whether or not you like the trade from the perspective of what our roster becomes, I'm really looking to see how realistic (or more realistic) you think this scenario could be. Personally, I think that this team is younger, better defensively, and gives a good mix of offense/defense and a good mix of shooters/drive to the basket players

 

[DatDudeZ3]

Collison/Okafor package would be great...Okafor could play Center. Tall as Andy and bigger and stronger than Andy and then Andy could come off the bench for Back up Center and backup PF. Collison would start because he is a true PG and Mo would come off bench with scoring.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Collison/Okafor package would be great...Okafor could play Center. Tall as Andy and bigger and stronger than Andy and then Andy could come off the bench for Back up Center and backup PF. Collison would start because he is a true PG and Mo would come off bench with scoring.

Okafor cannot play center. He hasn't been able to play center since he came into the NBA.

 

[abraxas]

I have a different take on this. I feel that many of you are under-rating Okafor while wildly over-rating Collison. To me, Collison is a younger Mo. That's it. If you look at all the reports coming out of college, they projected him to be a backup PG, undersized, average/below average defensively (because of his small size/weight), etc. Sounds like Mo coming out of college. Mo made a name for himself turning into a lights-out shooter, and Collison showed some great potential in the games he started for injured CP this season, but let's not make him into the second coming of CP3. He's nowhere close right now. And nowhere near enough to please LBJ. We already have one Mo.

And as for Okafor, I see all the downfalls of his play, and I think it could get awkward finding a way to play him and Andy together, but he's a tough player in this league that had a bad situation in Charlotte (with way too high expectations) and then had a solid, if underwhelming season last year in NO. He's still young, a very good defender, and if used correctly by a good coach, could make a fine starting Center.

 

[gourimoko]

I wouldn't trade Mo in a deal for Collison/Okafor; but I would trade expirings for them and then use Mo in a larger, more relevant to LBJ2k10, trade. Thinking Mo/AV/JJ as the basis of a deal for Calderon/Bosh.