Farewell Kyle Korver

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

During that span of time Korver went from being a guy who was struggling to fit in to being someone who made us look unstoppable offensively while showing he wasn't a liability on defense either.

No doubt Korver was enjoying the comfort level he was finding during that time. Apparently he's dealt with the foot problem multiple times in the past and he may have told the coaching staff he could play through it. If that's the case this issue isn't only on the coaches and trainers, Korver shares responsibility. If all it takes is some rest then it shouldn't be a huge deal, Lue needed some minutes for JR anyhow. The only downside is it keeps Shump on the floor for more minutes.

Yep.. We will never know who's fault is that but I could see it bothering him from my damn chair.
We need him healthy now, I don't care if we fall to the 2nd seed, fuck that. I want everyone healthy.. I couldn't care less about the Celtics, really. Let's stop playing everyone so many minutes and just be healthy please.

 

[Ohio]

As soon as he landed awkwardly under the basket a couple weeks ago he should have been sat. Fucking stupidity that he played in several games after that. Absolute carelessness.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

As soon as he landed awkwardly under the basket a couple weeks ago he should have been sat. Fucking stupidity that he played in several games after that. Absolute carelessness.

It's not the 1st time...

 

[buzzdog]

Isn't the foot issue something completely different than Korver tweaking his knee on the bad landing?

Now I won't argue the foot problem might not have been a result of compensating for the knee but the foot injury is a recurring longer term issue. Isn't it possible that the team trainers were in fact acting in a logical manner, but one tweak of the knee led to a different tweak of the foot and a reasonable person might not have anticipated this (other than Korver, knowing his own history of foot issues)?

It seems to me there's always an assumption of guilt and incompetence being directed towards Lue and the training staff almost by default when the reality is likely not as black and white.

If it were up to the fans on this forum we'd be sitting half the team for purely precautionary reasons. Given that we're talking about highly paid professional athletes, as well as highly trained and experienced coaches and trainers, I seriously doubt that these decisions are as questionable as fans make them out to be. The constant bashing of the coaching and training staff gets to be a bit of a witch hunt conducted by people with few actual facts or inside knowledge.

 

[BimboColesHair]

Isn't the foot issue something completely different than Korver tweaking his knee on the bad landing?

Now I won't argue the foot problem might not have been a result of compensating for the knee but the foot injury is a recurring longer term issue. Isn't it possible that the team trainers were in fact acting in a logical manner, but one tweak of the knee led to a different tweak of the foot and a reasonable person might not have anticipated this (other than Korver, knowing his own history of foot issues)?

It seems to me there's always an assumption of guilt and incompetence being directed towards Lue and the training staff almost by default when the reality is likely not as black and white.

If it were up to the fans on this forum we'd be sitting half the team for purely precautionary reasons. Given that we're talking about highly paid professional athletes, as well as highly trained and experienced coaches and trainers, I seriously doubt that these decisions are as questionable as fans make them out to be. The constant bashing of the coaching and training staff gets to be a bit of a witch hunt conducted by people with few actual facts or inside knowledge.

It is. It was a knee. Now its a foot. Guy even said, after the knee injury, that he was fine and there was no way he was going to sit out because of it.

Only way you can complain about a professional training staff is if you are a professional trainer yourself, the actual player, or around the team enough to know what is really going on.

I'd like to think Spiro and Mancias know what they are doing. You are talking about a team that willfully throws games on 2nd nights of back-to-backs to get players rest, but we have people who think they will play guys through injuries that can get worse just because? I don't buy it.

Just people looking for everything and anything to be mad right now with the team struggling, all it is. We've been through this before on the board, just the target seems to change every time. Right now, its the trainers fault.

 

[ACisKING]

Lot of armchair physicians in here...

 

[NorthCoastBias]

People just love to bitch for the sake of bitching. Gets old real quick, especially when the team is in a lull like right now.

 

[Jscc]

Yep.. We will never know who's fault is that but I could see it bothering him from my damn chair.
We need him healthy now, I don't care if we fall to the 2nd seed, fuck that. I want everyone healthy.. I couldn't care less about the Celtics, really. Let's stop playing everyone so many minutes and just be healthy please.

Seriously. A team-wide minute cap sounds good right now. I don't care if we're losing. Stick to the cap.

 

[Ohio]

Isn't the foot issue something completely different than Korver tweaking his knee on the bad landing?

Now I won't argue the foot problem might not have been a result of compensating for the knee but the foot injury is a recurring longer term issue. Isn't it possible that the team trainers were in fact acting in a logical manner, but one tweak of the knee led to a different tweak of the foot and a reasonable person might not have anticipated this (other than Korver, knowing his own history of foot issues)?

It seems to me there's always an assumption of guilt and incompetence being directed towards Lue and the training staff almost by default when the reality is likely not as black and white.

If it were up to the fans on this forum we'd be sitting half the team for purely precautionary reasons. Given that we're talking about highly paid professional athletes, as well as highly trained and experienced coaches and trainers, I seriously doubt that these decisions are as questionable as fans make them out to be. The constant bashing of the coaching and training staff gets to be a bit of a witch hunt conducted by people with few actual facts or inside knowledge.

Korver is 35 man. How in the hell do you play him after that? And when he is noticeably moving differently (in a bad way) on the court in that first game after, and playing like shit because he's hurt, how in the hell do you continue to play him for a week and a half?

I'm sorry, but it's just reckless.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Korver is 35 man. How in the hell do you play him after that? And when he is noticeably moving differently (in a bad way) on the court in that first game after, and playing like shit because he's hurt, how in the hell do you continue to play him for a week and a half?

I'm sorry, but it's just reckless.

Because the player and Doctors said that his knee was fine to play on?

Korver said it's his foot that was really bothering him. He's played on that foot in the past. It finally flared up to the point he's taking some time off.

I don't see how you can even attempt to diagnose anything based on a youtube clip of an injury.

 

[Ohio]

Because the player and Doctors said that his knee was fine to play on?

Korver said it's his foot that was really bothering him. He's played on that foot in the past. It finally flared up to the point he's taking some time off.

I don't see how you can even attempt to diagnose anything based on a youtube clip of an injury.

So it's pure coincidence Korver has been a totally different player since that bad landing against Chicago? Ok.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

So it's pure coincidence Korver has been a totally different player since that bad landing against Chicago? Ok.

I don't see why the Cavs and Korver would lie about his knee, or play him on a bad knee.

They're sitting him due to a hurt foot. Why would they play him on a hurt knee?

 

[cavsfever]

I don't see why the Cavs and Korver would lie about his knee, or play him on a bad knee.

They're sitting him due to a hurt foot. Why would they play him on a hurt knee?

They played him on a hurt knee, there's no doubt about that. Korver said flat-out his knee hurt but he was playing anyway. They starting sitting him when it became undeniable that his performance was off.

Windy on The Insiders today said that he was worried about Korver, that Korver was "not moving well" and just didn't look good. This one is on Lue and the team in not sitting him after that knee injury.

 

[buzzdog]

No hurry on Korver's return. As long as he gets enough games in to mesh on both ends and to get his stroke and timing down we'll be fine and there's still plenty of time for those things to happen.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

They played him on a hurt knee, there's no doubt about that. Korver said flat-out his knee hurt but he was playing anyway. They starting sitting him when it became undeniable that his performance was off.

Windy on The Insiders today said that he was worried about Korver, that Korver was "not moving well" and just didn't look good. This one is on Lue and the team in not sitting him after that knee injury.

No, a foot injury that he's been dealing with for years, is simply that, a foot injury. Not a knee. A foot. If his knee was a problem/reason why he is missing games, then he would be out with a "sore knee", or a "sore foot and a sore knee". Hes out with a foot.

Windy's OPINION on Korver not moving well is also a bit outdated, he mentioned it first either yesterday or the day before on RBS, and I think it was even from the prior day at that. The most recent news is that he practiced and is close to returning.