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Farewell, Sasha Kaun (traded to Philly)
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Kaun won't be playing with the Cavs any time soon.
Why?
1) CSKA likes slow, physical game play and they like front court players that get rebounds and cause bruises. Kaun has value there. In the NBA, he'd look as useless as that Dwayne Jones guy from a couple years ago.
2) Euro teams have to keep a certain number of their own citizens on their teams. Kaun qualifies as Russian. It's another reason he's valuable to them. CSKA has money and CSKA will pay to keep him. Pretty much that means Kaun's going to keep getting more than NBA min salary in Russia.
Kaun's just more valuable to CSKA than he is to Cleveland.
I'd also like to mention that in the VTB playoffs, Kaun did outplay Valanciunas. Valanciunas tends to get owned if the opposing center has good leg strength and CSKA has a lot of guys like that.
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Why?
1) CSKA likes slow, physical game play and they like front court players that get rebounds and cause bruises. Kaun has value there. In the NBA, he'd look as useless as that Dwayne Jones guy from a couple years ago.
2) Euro teams have to keep a certain number of their own citizens on their teams. Kaun qualifies as Russian. It's another reason he's valuable to them. CSKA has money and CSKA will pay to keep him. Pretty much that means Kaun's going to keep getting more than NBA min salary in Russia.
Kaun's just more valuable to CSKA than he is to Cleveland.
I'd also like to mention that in the VTB playoffs, Kaun did outplay Valanciunas. Valanciunas tends to get owned if the opposing center has good leg strength and CSKA has a lot of guys like that.
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Kaun had a big game even though his team lost.
http://www.london2012.com/basketball/event/men/match=bkm400202/index.html
Russia's leading scorer with 14 points on 7/10 shooting
http://www.london2012.com/basketball/event/men/match=bkm400202/index.html
Russia's leading scorer with 14 points on 7/10 shooting
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It is interesting how these things develop. I think Tiago Splitter should go back to the Euroleague. Even if the Euroleague ever reaches the level of the NBA, they will still have a ABA/NBA style difference. It makes sense that a plodding strong center is better in Europe where the 3 second rule is a non-issue. The NBA got rid of guys like that when they made the rule changes.
It's also a sharp contrast to Anthony Parker, who is willing to take a drastically reduced role to play in the NBA instead of being a superstar in Europe. Kaun can be part of the core there, and be paid well. He'd get less money here, and he doesn't even fit with the team we are developing.
Do you think he is trade bait in his late prime? We toss him in as an extra?
It's also a sharp contrast to Anthony Parker, who is willing to take a drastically reduced role to play in the NBA instead of being a superstar in Europe. Kaun can be part of the core there, and be paid well. He'd get less money here, and he doesn't even fit with the team we are developing.
Do you think he is trade bait in his late prime? We toss him in as an extra?
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A piece on Sasha Kaun from Chris Sheridan's site.
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Euroleague Power Rankings: Sasha Kaun, Better Than Ever
By Nick Gibson
February 19, 2013 at 6:30 PM
In four years as a Kansas Jayhawk, Sasha Kaun never averaged more than 5.6 shots a game. He needed just six against Panathinaikos to rack up the Euroleague’s weekly MVP award.
The long-armed Kaun might have fallen short of statistical expectations in Lawrence, but part of that was due to his incredible efficiency (54, 56, 53 in his first three years from the field, respectively) and the adjoining hope that he may one day extrapolate those to a near-All-American level with more minutes. Kaun would go on to average just 17.7 minutes as a senior, but bumped his field goal percentage up to 62 percent as he came off the bench for Kansas’ 2008 National Championship team.
He was drafted by the SuperSonics in the second round that summer and then traded to Cleveland, but then made the trip to CSKA Moscow, where he has played ever since.
Between then and now, he has flashed in and out of Euroleague consciousness as injuries (the same bad knees that hobbled him at Kansas) have limited his availability, and that sporadic playing time has limited his opportunity to chisel out a consistent role on a club that famously employs a bevy of capable bigs at any given time for situations such as these. In fact, it was an injury to Viktor Khryapa that thrust Kaun into an expanded role in the first place, netting a season-high 34 minutes.
But now, Sasha Kaun appears healthy and is playing the best basketball of his career.
In his MVP week, Kaun didn’t exude efficiency; he defined it. He scored 13 points by making all six of his shots and his only free throw while pulling down eight rebounds, blocking five shots, notching a pair of steals and a pair of assists and turning it over never.
Perhaps a monster was born in the third quarter of CSKA’s third quarter against Real Madrid last week, or perhaps this is the Kaun we would have seen now for years had he been at full strength for at least most of them. He missed the entire 2010-11 Euroleague campaign with a knee injury, meaning this is really only his fourth official season as a Euroleaguer. If Moscow, Russia is anything like Lawrence, Kansas (I’ve been to neither, but I imagine they’re about as different as Dorothy and Dr. Zhivago), that’s good news for CSKA’s title hopes.
[video=youtube;SEXPmcp1MUA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SEXPmcp1MUA[/video]
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/02/19/euroleague-power-rankings-sasha-kaun-better-than-ever/
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Euroleague Power Rankings: Sasha Kaun, Better Than Ever
By Nick Gibson
February 19, 2013 at 6:30 PM
In four years as a Kansas Jayhawk, Sasha Kaun never averaged more than 5.6 shots a game. He needed just six against Panathinaikos to rack up the Euroleague’s weekly MVP award.
The long-armed Kaun might have fallen short of statistical expectations in Lawrence, but part of that was due to his incredible efficiency (54, 56, 53 in his first three years from the field, respectively) and the adjoining hope that he may one day extrapolate those to a near-All-American level with more minutes. Kaun would go on to average just 17.7 minutes as a senior, but bumped his field goal percentage up to 62 percent as he came off the bench for Kansas’ 2008 National Championship team.
He was drafted by the SuperSonics in the second round that summer and then traded to Cleveland, but then made the trip to CSKA Moscow, where he has played ever since.
Between then and now, he has flashed in and out of Euroleague consciousness as injuries (the same bad knees that hobbled him at Kansas) have limited his availability, and that sporadic playing time has limited his opportunity to chisel out a consistent role on a club that famously employs a bevy of capable bigs at any given time for situations such as these. In fact, it was an injury to Viktor Khryapa that thrust Kaun into an expanded role in the first place, netting a season-high 34 minutes.
But now, Sasha Kaun appears healthy and is playing the best basketball of his career.
In his MVP week, Kaun didn’t exude efficiency; he defined it. He scored 13 points by making all six of his shots and his only free throw while pulling down eight rebounds, blocking five shots, notching a pair of steals and a pair of assists and turning it over never.
Perhaps a monster was born in the third quarter of CSKA’s third quarter against Real Madrid last week, or perhaps this is the Kaun we would have seen now for years had he been at full strength for at least most of them. He missed the entire 2010-11 Euroleague campaign with a knee injury, meaning this is really only his fourth official season as a Euroleaguer. If Moscow, Russia is anything like Lawrence, Kansas (I’ve been to neither, but I imagine they’re about as different as Dorothy and Dr. Zhivago), that’s good news for CSKA’s title hopes.
[video=youtube;SEXPmcp1MUA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SEXPmcp1MUA[/video]
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/02/19/euroleague-power-rankings-sasha-kaun-better-than-ever/
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I was born a Jayhawk and love how the Cavs always have love for my Jayhawks. Always wanted Kaun to come to the Cavs, now i have a legitimate reason to want him here!
any possibility of him coming back? Im assuming no, but a guy can hope
any possibility of him coming back? Im assuming no, but a guy can hope
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I have to say that I'd completely forgotten about Kaun. Been so quiet around here on that front. Not sure any of this has any real meaning to our Cavs. But, it is nice to see him doing something positive over there. Maybe, he can get himself back to "sweetener" level value again. I hope so.
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Six stellar dunks on pick and rolls against a team that had defenders with Ilgauskas level mobility..
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Not great athleticism, but man I wish that any bigs on this team moved that well off the ball ( Andy excluded).
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The guy has no chance in the nba, but I'd like to see the cavs bring him over to see what we have one of these years. There is a realm of mystery to kaun. I don't think I'd pay a buy out to see kaun, but it would be nice to know what we have.
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He's married a US girl, and he may get that chance to porve he can play in the NBA at some point. But, his knee issues will prevent him from any more than minimal minutes.
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Kaun is worth more to Euro teams than he is in the NBA. Partly because of his style of play. Mostly because of his citizenship. It doesn't look like it will ever make financial sense for him to come to the NBA. He'll get $2-3Mil a year there and be a key big man in the rotation as long as he can walk. Hard to see the Cavs offering more money than that for someone that might quickly become a bench warmer.