Goodbye Larry Nance Jr.

[FrontPageNews]

He should play the 4 and improve his perimeter game. Developing him like TT is a monumental mistake. Once he develops a perimeter game i'd try to slide him to the 5 in certain matchups or even for most of the time because he is potentially a big mismatch at the 5 if he learns how to shoot in game.

He had a better shot and shot more 3's than Blake Griffin in College. Blake came into the league without a shot and has developed an okay 3pt ability on high volume and good mid range game. If Blake came into the league today without the skillset that he has today, would you also slot him into the C position?

I actually like Blake a lot more as a point center. Much more of a mismatch and matchup dynamic.

 

[Mr. MacPhisto]

The one issue with this, from what I've watched. Is that while Nance can definitely jump, he is not a quick-twitch jumper. He spends a lot of time gathering, which hurts him, particularly on defensive contests.

He's a good contract for two years, and will be a good energy guy. I think we overpaid.

I'm not sure who we could draft at 20-25 that would be better than Nance in the short term. IT + Frye is what got us Clarkson - ending deals for Clarkson. Nance cost the first. Inexpensive big man that can do a lot and provide energy. We didn't give up the Brooklyn pick for him and I'm not sure who else that pick could have gotten us that could give us the value Nance can.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

I actually like Blake a lot more as a point center. Much more of a mismatch and matchup dynamic.

But that's what i'm saying... he wouldn't be the same all-around player if he was pegged as 5 from the get go. We NEED to develop his perimeter skills, asap.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

I'm not sure who we could draft at 20-25 that would be better than Nance in the short term. IT + Frye is what got us Clarkson - ending deals for Clarkson. Nance cost the first. Inexpensive big man that can do a lot and provide energy. We didn't give up the Brooklyn pick for him and I'm not sure who else that pick could have gotten us that could give us the value Nance can.

We overpaid for sure. There are tons of guys that think can contribute in the 20-27 range and have higher ceiling than both Hood and Clarkson. I do really like Nance though and think that if we never included the 1st it would have been a home run trade for us.

This draft is super deep till the middle of the 2nd round. I think we could have even used that pick with additional assets or players/player to really improve that roster for next year. would have given us far more options and I don't feel like Magic would have missed the opportunity to clear cap space just because of us not wanting to add a 1st... I mean, it was known around the league that for him to dump Clarkson he had to add a 1st round pick.

Anyways, I'm still really excited about Nance and it's all about development for him, he has the tools, attitude,personalit , and IQ both off and on the court to succeed.

 

[KilgoreTrout]

Nance's draft combine measurements:

Height - 6'8.5"
Wingspan - 7'1.5"
Weight - 226.6

Thompson's draft combine measurements:

Height - 6'8.75"
Wingspan - 7'1.25"
Weight - 227.4

You forgot the BRAIN part. Nance has a normal-sized brain, weighing about 3 pounds. TT has a brain that weighs about 3 OUNCES.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

We overpaid for sure. There are tons of guys that think can contribute in the 20-27 range and have higher ceiling than both Hood and Clarkson.
I do really like Nance though and think that if we never included the 1st it would have been a home run trade for us.

But we traded the first to get Nance, not Hood or Clarkson, so that's who should be measured against the value of our first round pick. And ceiling is only half the equation -- you have to consider the bust potential as well, plus the time to develop a rookie. Nance is clearly not a bust. He's a young, valuable, improving player, and the odds of getting someone better than him 20-27, and able to contribute just as much as him next year, are pretty small.

This draft is super deep till the middle of the 2nd round. I think we could have even used that pick with additional assets or players/player to really improve that roster for next year. would have given us far more options and I don't feel like Magic would have missed the opportunity to clear cap space just because of us not wanting to add a 1st... I mean, it was known around the league that for him to dump Clarkson he had to add a 1st round pick.

Well, as of basically noon on the deadline, the Lakers still hadn't moved Clarkson. And there's no reason they couldn't have played hardball and waited until the end of the season to move him and Nance - makes no real difference to them whether they get the cap relief now or in a few months.


The problem for Koby was just leverage -- we had a greater need to get that deal done now than did the Lakers.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

But we traded the first to get Nance, not Hood or Clarkson, so that's who should be measured against the value of our first round pick. And ceiling is only half the equation -- you have to consider the bust potential as well, plus the time to develop a rookie. Nance is clearly not a bust. He's a young, valuable, improving player, and the odds of getting someone better than him 20-27, and able to contribute just as much as him next year, are pretty small.



Well, as of basically noon on the deadline, the Lakers still hadn't moved Clarkson. And there's no reason they couldn't have played hardball and waited until the end of the season to move him and Nance - makes no real difference to them whether they get the cap relief now or in a few months.


The problem for Koby was that just leverage -- we had a greater need to get that deal done now than did the Lakers.

Was there any other team with two expirings like Frye and IT? weren't the Cavs the only team?

 

[Cavatt]

We overpaid for sure. There are tons of guys that think can contribute in the 20-27 range and have higher ceiling than both Hood and Clarkson. I do really like Nance though and think that if we never included the 1st it would have been a home run trade for us.

This draft is super deep till the middle of the 2nd round. I think we could have even used that pick with additional assets or players/player to really improve that roster for next year. would have given us far more options and I don't feel like Magic would have missed the opportunity to clear cap space just because of us not wanting to add a 1st... I mean, it was known around the league that for him to dump Clarkson he had to add a 1st round pick.

Anyways, I'm still really excited about Nance and it's all about development for him, he has the tools, attitude,personalit , and IQ both off and on the court to succeed.

i am looking at the first as the price to keep Cedi and get Nance. Both of them are way better than anything you can get at 22 at least for the next 3 years. Both can contribute at a high level that someone at 22 couldn't at least for a year or 2. That experience and small contract is a situation that doesn't come up often.

Some people are upset we helped the lakers clear space, but it is a really confident move. We gave them old and battered guys and a late first for 2 damn good athletes. If they buy in, we are looking at a really nice bench. I really don't think Lebron is going to LA. That is why this was such a smart move, or dumb, but it is ballzy.

Having some upside on the team makes it a really different dynamic. You lose the finals with the team you had, its over i think LBJ goes. You lose with this team, but actually show you can compete, he will definitely be back with the lure of what the nets pick can bring, and the devlopment of hood, Clarkson, and Nance.

My biggest issue iwth Clarkson is that they say he loves that LA life. If he can be less distracted and focus like JR did when he came to Cleveland, we could be in for nice ride.

 

[TheISHT]

Well, if he loves LA life, I doubt he'll be distracted by Cleveland life.

 

[NorthCoastBias]

View: https://twitter.com/Larrydn22/status/962052976310288386

 

[tocov]

I truly hope being back home, having his father's jersey hanging above him and playing with the king will elevate this kid to new heights.
He certainly has the effort part down, need to utilize him better than LA.

 

[MediumBaller]

I'm not mad about the 1st round pick. Would it have produced a player as good as Nance? Maybe, but it'd likely be several years before we'd know, and LeBron doesn't have several years to wait and find out. Nance can make an impact right now.

 

[BankShot]

I'm not mad about the 1st round pick. Would it have produced a player as good as Nance? Maybe, but it'd likely be several years before we'd know, and LeBron doesn't have several years to wait and find out. Nance can make an impact right now.

Totally agree, I'd take it even a step further, the odds of getting a player better than Nance/Clarkson at #24/25 is very low, we got them both while still young and under our control.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Larry already has a decent mid-range:

20% of his shots in his career have been 16-23 ft

He's shooting 40% on those.

I'm looking forward to seeing him step back behind the arc, because I really think that's the next step in his game, much like Channing Frye when he got to Phoenix.

If he can get consistent on the 8-10 foot shot, that would enable him to not clog the paint the way TT does. But even now, the shooting differences are there.

Over the last three years, TT is shooting about .594%. But his average shot distance is under three feet.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomptr01.html

Over that same three year period, Larry Nance Jr. is shooting .547, but his average shot distance has been 7.9 feet. And just to compare apples to apples, for this season, his average shot distance has dropped to 5.8 ft (still twice TT's), but he's shooting it at a .602. clip.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nancela02.html

His advanced stats are better than TT's across the board as well.

This was a really nice pickup for the Cavs.

 

[TyGuy]

If he can get consistent on the 8-10 foot shot, that would enable him to not clog the paint the way TT does. But even now, the shooting differences are there.

Over the last three years, TT is shooting about .594%. But his average shot distance is under three feet.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomptr01.html

Over that same three year period, Larry Nance Jr. is shooting .547, but his average shot distance has been 7.9 feet. And just to compare apples to apples, for this season, his average shot distance has dropped to 5.8 ft (still twice TT's), but he's shooting it at a .602. clip.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nancela02.html

His advanced stats are better than TT's across the board as well.

This was a really nice pickup for the Cavs.

We should probably start him, but I doubt that happens. I'll settle for playing more minuets than TT, but that probably isn't happening either.