How did we lose? An argument for no big changes.

[Alec]

So, Calipari is interested in coaching in the NBA. If Dan REALLY wanted to improve the Cavs chances, he would drop Ty Lue like a bad habit, and let Calipari write his own check. Of course, If Dan REALLY wanted to improve the Cavs chances, he would have never shit-canned David Griffin...

I think dan thinks GMing is pretty obvious and not that difficult. Hence why he will continue to have a revolving door at GM and why Chauncey has gotten a deal

 

[fan0283]

obviously we need to get older, lets get wade

Worry not. Wade likely isn't getting bought out. The historically cheap team that just sold a draft pick for cash likely won't want to spend to dump an asset that's already expiring.

 

[Brevin Knight]

Apparently Bulls waiving Rondo. I don't rate him at all, but he's the kind of guy who won't disappear in the finals if healthy. I think he might be a decent backup if his head is in the right place.

 

[davedugan43]

Apparently Bulls waiving Rondo. I don't rate him at all, but he's the kind of guy who won't disappear in the finals if healthy. I think he might be a decent backup if he's head is in the right place.

Dude is cancer. LeBron couldn't make it work with Dion and his problems. Rondo is the same but exposed to the Finals.

 

[sleepmaster]

One idea is trading Tristan-Cedi-Felder to get DeAndre Jordan during the season after his stock goes down and Tristan's value rebounds. A rim protector who allows Love to focus on what he does best, rebounding, and who makes it easier for ALL perimeter players to extend their defense and play their man closer, would improve our defense more than a SINGLE additional wing who can defend. It would be easier to get Kyrie defending more aggressively if there's a rim protector behind him. A rim protector lessening Lebron's free safety responsibilities would also help conserve his energy and it shouldn't require breaking up the Big 3. This is an interesting article on how Jordan's play dovetails with the situation he's in, not unlike JR Smith who was a trade steal before we overpaid him:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/DeAndre-Jordan-1072/

After a tumultuous single season at Texas A&M, the once highly recruited big man fell to the second round, where the Los Angeles Clippers took him with the 35th pick in the 2008 NBA Draft. While there is no doubt that Jordan's may have warranted a level of concern, a more thorough understanding of the cause of those actions could have yielded a “max” level result earlier in the draft. Social psychology may not be a “magical” solution for unlocking every player's hidden potential. But an understanding of the Fundamental Attribution Error, combined with quality scouting intel, and 1000+ SA player assessment records can certainly help to navigate and separate the “character” risks of Michael Beasley, J.R. Giddens, and DeAndre Jordan more effectively. INDIVIDUAL STORY & ANTICIPATED ROLE Jordan was a Top 15 RSCI high school prospect and landed at Texas A&M after being heavily recruited by head coach Billy Gillespie. But before Jordan ever played a game for the Aggies, Gillespie departed for Kentucky and Mark Turgeon took over. Jordan was eloquently described as “Impressionable” by Kevin Arnovitz this morning in his ESPN piece covering the particulars of what led to his decision to join the Mavs. This down-stated reference belays a deeper significance, however. In the entire Sports Aptitude database, Jordan rates higher than 91% of other NBA players in . He is the consummate “People Person” whose decisions are strongly led by the tenor of the relationships he forms. Gillespie's departure likely had a greater impact on Jordan's state of mind than it would have on the average player. The recruiting process is strongly relationship-oriented, an investment in trust that was thrown into uncertainty upon his arrival. For a personality like Jordan, such a change was sure to trigger his instincts before anything else. In the SA database, this indicates the potential for having “negative expectations for unfamiliar situations with a higher susceptibility for emotional reactivity when faced with sudden adversity.” Jordan's role at Texas A&M had a strong chance of backfiring. “Rim protection" wasn't as en vogue as a "sexy" high paying role in the NBA when Jordan was entering the draft in 2008. Top center prospects, such as Brook Lopez and Roy Hibbert, were still being evaluated more for their low-post offensive potential over "rim-rolling" and “rim running”, which have received much better press – and pay – in today's game. Jordan is 40% more , 27% more , and 24% less than the average NBA player. These traits suggest Jordan has an intense focus on the moment, and is willing to take chances to reach the high standards he sets for himself. It's easy to see how Jordan may have reacted poorly to the perception that his value was being hurt while at A&M. Immersed in an unfulfilling environment for a prolonged period of time and armed with “rebel” tendencies, Jordan's level of maturity and willingness to self-monitor his behavior at a young age may have been non-existent at the time. His short-sightedness and bold attitude were devoid of a connection to someone who could provide guidance that he was likely to accept. As a top recruit, he may have needed his “ego checked” but this was inevitably going to require nurturing trust to get “buy-in” vs. “breaking” him through consequence and punishment. Jordan played only 20 total minutes in Texas A&M's two NCAA Tournament games, leading to questions about his attitude and maturity, which were reinforced by reportedly lackadaisical pre-draft workouts. A prideful, perceptive, but young and inexperienced person at the time, Jordan very well may have entered the pre-draft process with negative expectations based on his recent past experiences. Being in a negative frame of mind and not fearing the repercussions of his actions as much as the average player would, Jordan's mentality and willingness to take risks were unlikely to do him any favors at this point. From here, two situational disasters ensued. The first was his circumstantial, pairing with Michael Beasley during the pre-draft prep process. Jordan, already frustrated and susceptible to influence, likely naturally gravitated toward the care-free attitude of Beasley. Though extremely competitive, Jordan's more willful qualities were bound to be reinforced by the care-free, blasé demeanor of his workout partner. Being around a probable top-three pick with no sense of urgency would be a toxic mix for Jordan, who shared a similar high school pedigree, but lacked the same industry appeal at the time. The second issue arose from his pre-draft workout strategy. In an effort to bolster his former status as a top 15 recruit and elite prospect, Jordan only worked out with teams with high draft picks. The NBA had yet to establish the “speed dating” style interview process that is so vital to the value of Chicago's pre-draft combine. As his workouts progressed, Jordan gave off the impression of playing up and down to his level of competition. When going against the Westbrook's and Rose's – his perceived status group – he'd go all out, befitting of his best competitive qualities. But against “lesser” competition, he gave off the impression of coasting. From the NBA's perspective, these concerns were major red flags, possibly even fatal flaws, and it was enough to plunge his draft stock from the lottery to the second round. TEAM ENVIRONMENT & OPPORTUNITY GIVEN Well…so much for that. Hindsight helps us to unravel those early miscalculations as the trial and error period of his burgeoning best qualities. Those qualities were severely hindered by situations both within and beyond his control. The next phase in his development would have its bumps, but would progress at a steadier clip. Jordan entered into the league with a fresh start and quickly made use of his qualities on a porous Clippers team, carving out a solid role early on, despite the presence of veterans Marcus Camby, Zach Randolph, and Chris Kaman. Sports Aptitude defines those bold/combative qualities as a player who is “highly assertive, plays with an edge, is tough-minded, stubborn, and seeks out challenges without fear.” But, that competitive edge wouldn't be completely harnessed until he finally established a solid player-coach relationship. Once Doc Rivers entered the picture, he changed the course of Jordan's career. Rivers' coaching style empowered Jordan and helped him channel those attributes into a laser-focus on dominating in his strongest impact areas. -

 

[chuck0609]

Dude is cancer. LeBron couldn't make it work with Dion and his problems. Rondo is the same but exposed to the Finals.

He is an absolute head case. BUT, Chicago was playing some damn good ball and may have bounced Boston if Rondo stayed healthy.

Look at what Livingston does for GS, perhaps Rondo can do that for the Cavs, esp when LBJ in on the bench.

A steady veteran hand with that second unit could be invaluable, esp if George or Melo are here too. Just a thought, FWIW.

 

[buzzdog]

One other thing we should be able to control to be a much better team.

Turnovers.

I could make a case that turnovers cost us the finals. No excuse for that.

 

[sleepmaster]

Deandre's friend Griffin resigned with the Clippers so forget about trading for Deandre. Trade spare parts for Melo and use the Big 4 in a weak East to lure Bogut back to signing with us and develop Edy.

 

[LennoxLewis]

I'd love to see the Cavs try and build an offense around Kyrie and Love.Playing in the pick and roll/pop,as well as Love in the high post where he doesn't have to post up guys, but he can try to make plays for others from there. Have guys on the weak side coming off pin downs or cuts to the basket.

That way if LeBron goes to the bench, we at least have something to go to offensively other than isoing guys 1 v1.

 

[sleepmaster]

I wouldn't give up on Love in the post. His 3pt shooting is better when he's physical.

 

[David.]

So people have been saying our core didn't lose the game, our bench did.

Isn't it more accurate to say "gsw have so many stars they were able to stagger their minutes and surprise, our bench couldn't keep up?"

 

[The Red Viper]

So people have been saying our core didn't lose the game, our bench did.

Isn't it more accurate to say "gsw have so many stars they were able to stagger their minutes and surprise, our bench couldn't keep up?"

Thats true.

Another thing is, Curry can lead the bench-unit when KD sits. Same with KD. They can even have both KD and Curry sit, while both Klay and Draymond can maintain or not lose the lead quickly. But it does also help having an Iggy and Livingston come off the bench.

With us, its LeBron or Fucked.

And that imo, is not a great look on Kyrie and Love. They have to be better leaders out there when LeBron sits. No one is asking to create leads or something. Just maintain it or at the very least don't lose the lead or blow the opposition lead to double figures in a couple of mins.

A lot depends on how much better Kyrie and Love are next season. In terms of their overall game and impact. If they are more or less like how they have been last couple of years, we don't have much hope. But if Kyrie takes his game to the next level and becomes an MVP calibre player and Love an All-NBA calibre player, then it gets tasty!

 

[mult336]

I think the biggest problem is the offense the Cavs run. In the finals, it was just too easy to guard Iso Lebron and Kyrie sets. There is just not enough being ran off the times Kyrie and Lebron turn to isoball and for the Warriors there to good defensively to rely on that offense. I know we all blame Lue on what the hell kind of offense we run but that also falls on Kyrie and Lebron for just abandoning any semblance of a offense and go straight into their iso game. There one on one basketball is devastating but the Cavs cannot win a series against that team with only that offense. Then the problem seems to get worse because the second unit comes in and then its mostly iso ball with bench players and its awful offense. How many times in the finals did the Cavs offense end where Jeffereson, Shumpert, and Deron Williams launched a 20 foot of the dribble jumper? I muttered to myself so many times that that was a terrible shot for the Cavs when they were running their offense because if we dont get great play from Lebron or Kyrie our offense is awful.

 

[pinoycavsfan]

Defensively, the cavs ate outmatched with the length and athleticism of gsw.

Offensively, no system and over reliance with lbj. If only the cavs run even some of blatts motion offense, we have the personnel to have a good bench..

 

[David.]

Guys our offense was great.

We could not stop them.