Hue Jackson and Todd Haley Fired

[Akron330]

I disagree. Why not? Kizer will keep getting chances and if and when he starts to play winning football only then should he get to stay on the field. Between Kizer and Hogan the quarterback position has been costing us winnable games. Kessler can at least tread water but he can't do much more than that. Treading water is better than demoralizing the whole team with stupid interceptions.

Will have to agree to disagree.

It's tough to play the position when you are constantly looking over your shoulder wondering if you're gonna get pulled after a mistake. How many other NFL teams/coaches rotate QB's the way that Hue has this season? It doesn't happen and if it does it doesn't happen often. I think that once you name a starting QB, you have to stick with him - good or bad. Rookies are going to go through ups and downs, it's the nature of the game.

Hue has forgot more football than I will ever know. I played the position through high school and into college. It's hard to do, I can't even imagine it at the highest level. Rookies make mistakes, they always will. You just have to stick with it- if this was the plan he should've started the season with Kessler and brought Kizer along later. Just my thoughts

 

[Soda]

You cant properly coach such a young team and also call the offensive plays. It's just not possible and it results in an undisciplined football team. He's actually hurting the offense and the whole team by not being able to fully concentrate on either.

I agree with this. The head-coach needs to basically be playing clock-games in his head the whole time & thinking about the "big picture" of a game (i.e. extrapolate the various directions the game can go and how). He can't be calling plays, playing QB coach, and being Head Coach. It's too much to ask yourself to micromanage everything on offense while also keeping an eye on the macro picture of game management, clock management, score management, etc.

 

[buzzdog]

Will have to agree to disagree.

It's tough to play the position when you are constantly looking over your shoulder wondering if you're gonna get pulled after a mistake. How many other NFL teams/coaches rotate QB's the way that Hue has this season? It doesn't happen and if it does it doesn't happen often. I think that once you name a starting QB, you have to stick with him - good or bad. Rookies are going to go through ups and downs, it's the nature of the game.

Hue has forgot more football than I will ever know. I played the position through high school and into college. It's hard to do, I can't even imagine it at the highest level. Rookies make mistakes, they always will. You just have to stick with it- if this was the plan he should've started the season with Kessler and brought Kizer along later. Just my thoughts

I agree that Kizer should not have started the season. It should have been Kessler or a veteran. I think when the franchise started Kizer from the get-go they set him up for being yanked now. So yes, that part wasn't well thought out.

I think Hue is under pressure to get a win. I think he feels he owes it to the players and the fans. He doesn't want the team to quit on him. Sticking with Kizer when his mistakes are directly causing us to lose games that we should have won could cause the team to quit (which to their credit they haven't done yet).

If Kizer has what it takes to be an NFL quarterback getting benched shouldn't be a setback, it should be motivation for him to play more error free. If Kizer doesn't have what it takes this whole thing becomes a moot point.

 

[Stark]

Keep the front office

Run Hue out of town

@Stark fire up the black and white torches and pitchfork gif

 

[Snowblind]

So at first, I really wanted hue to be the coach and was amazed we got him. I think him knowing the division so well, was a positive for our head coach. But, he really seems to be spreading himself thin with being the oc, hc and trying to coach up the qbs (where the fuck is David Lee at for this?).

This front office is young at their job and hopefully they keep learning and growing, same goes for hue. I think he really needs to look at the structure of the coaching staff and make appropriate changes. I think hiring and offensive coordinator would do wonders for him. The one guy I'm hoping he goes after is James urban, the wr coach in Cincinnati.

He's been a wr coach in Cincinnati for 7 years and has experience with hues offense and someone he should be able to trust. He was also a qb coach for Andy Reid for a few years as well. Below is a great article with urban going over game plans and what the offense tries to accomplish on any given play.

https://www.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/28/nfl-james-urban-cincinnati-bengals-wide-receivers-coach

 

[Phills14]

I was going to make an argument about how common it is for head coaches to take on the responsibility of the coordinator position, be it offensive or defensive. When I went to do my research I found that, it still is a thing but it isn't as common as it used to be.

HC & OC
Hue Jackson
Bill O'Brien
Kyle Shannahan

HC & DC
No One

Some of the guys who took that on from the start like a Mike McCarthy, Andy Reid, Ben McAdoo, etc have given up those responsibilities later on. That'st the trend at least, maybe it's time for Hue to follow suit.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I was going to make an argument about how common it is for head coaches to take on the responsibility of the coordinator position, be it offensive or defensive. When I went to do my research I found that, it still is a thing but it isn't as common as it used to be.

HC & OC
Hue Jackson
Bill O'Brien
Kyle Shannahan

HC & DC
No One

Some of the guys who took that on from the start like a Mike McCarthy, Andy Reid, Ben McAdoo, etc have given up those responsibilities later on. That'st the trend at least, maybe it's time for Hue to follow suit.

Two 0-7 coaches

And according to sportscoach Bill O'Brien is a terrible coach so that's a very telling list!

 

[shoes22]

I was going to make an argument about how common it is for head coaches to take on the responsibility of the coordinator position, be it offensive or defensive. When I went to do my research I found that, it still is a thing but it isn't as common as it used to be.

HC & OC
Hue Jackson
Bill O'Brien
Kyle Shannahan

HC & DC
No One

Some of the guys who took that on from the start like a Mike McCarthy, Andy Reid, Ben McAdoo, etc have given up those responsibilities later on. That'st the trend at least, maybe it's time for Hue to follow suit.

Yeah, it just seems like you’re doubling the chance for failure having one guy take on both roles as opposed having a dedicated guy for each. It’s just a stupid unnecessary risk.

 

[Los216]

Are we the only team that has a running game coordinator and a passing coordinator? I know Kirby Wilson is the running game coordinator but Hue Jackson still calls the plays so what exactly does Kirby Wilson do? Is he really just the RB coach but under a different title? Running game coordinator sounds like he's calling the running plays or at least relaying his suggestions to Hue. I'd love some clarity on that.

 

[FiveThous]

Are we the only team that has a running game coordinator and a passing coordinator? I know Kirby Wilson is the running game coordinator but Hue Jackson still calls the plays so what exactly does Kirby Wilson do? Is he really just the RB coach but under a different title? Running game coordinator sounds like he's calling the running plays or at least relaying his suggestions to Hue. I'd love some clarity on that.

Probably some linkedin creative licensing type title, lol

 

[I'mWithDan]

I disagree. Why not? Kizer will keep getting chances and if and when he starts to play winning football only then should he get to stay on the field. Between Kizer and Hogan the quarterback position has been costing us winnable games. Kessler can at least tread water but he can't do much more than that. Treading water is better than demoralizing the whole team with stupid interceptions.

What is the end game there though?

What long term benefit is there to playing guys like Hogan or Kessler?

The franchise is far better off bombing out with Kizer than they are playing guys who (clearly) have no long term future IMO.

The difference a player like Hogan or Kessler would make, over the course of a 16 game season, is incredibly marginal. But you're getting that marginal difference, in most cases, by sacrificing the possible development of a young QB.

There's a ton of examples of young QB's being downright miserable their rookie year. It's a relatively known fact that a majority of first year players really struggle adjusting to the NFL game (especially QB's). But their franchises and coaches have patience in developing them.

The key distinction there is you can have patience in two ways:

Option A. By holding a player out until he has a year or two (or three) of development in an NFL system and there is a consensus he is ready to step in and immediately succeed.

Option B. By playing a player immediately, knowing he could potentially be really bad before he's good.

Our path has been.......

Start of the camp: Ok, we're gonna do Option A
Two weeks later: Ok, we said we were gonna do Option A but he looks decent
Three weeks later: Now he might be better than decent but we think we are doing Option A
Four weeks later: You know what, we might wanna do Option B
Five weeks later: Yeah, pretty sure we wanna do Option B, so uh...let's cut the vet guy
Six weeks later: He was bad but he's going to play through his mistakes
8 weeks later: Yep, we're going with Option A still, gonna give him a chance to play through it.
10 weeks later: Gonna bench him, maybe Option A was the better approach.
11 weeks later: Just kidding! He's ready. He had a week to figure it out.
12 weeks later: April fools. Let's get the guy in there we never intended to play

How the fuck can you take this staff seriously?

I fully expect Kessler to suck and Kizer to be starting the next game.

 

[The Oi]

Does Hue look clueless on the sideline during the games or does he appear to be into the game? What’s his general demeanor?

 

[batdan]

What is the end game there though?

What long term benefit is there to playing guys like Hogan or Kessler?

The franchise is far better off bombing out with Kizer than they are playing guys who (clearly) have no long term future IMO.

The difference a player like Hogan or Kessler would make, over the course of a 16 game season, is incredibly marginal. But you're getting that marginal difference, in most cases, by sacrificing the possible development of a young QB.

There's a ton of examples of young QB's being downright miserable their rookie year. It's a relatively known fact that a majority of first year players really struggle adjusting to the NFL game (especially QB's). But their franchises and coaches have patience in developing them.

The key distinction there is you can have patience in two ways:

Option A. By holding a player out until he has a year or two (or three) of development in an NFL system and there is a consensus he is ready to step in and immediately succeed.

Option B. By playing a player immediately, knowing he could potentially be really bad before he's good.

Our path has been.......

Start of the camp: Ok, we're gonna do Option A
Two weeks later: Ok, we said we were gonna do Option A but he looks decent
Three weeks later: Now he might be better than decent but we think we are doing Option A
Four weeks later: You know what, we might wanna do Option B
Five weeks later: Yeah, pretty sure we wanna do Option B, so uh...let's cut the vet guy
Six weeks later: He was bad but he's going to play through his mistakes
8 weeks later: Yep, we're going with Option A still, gonna give him a chance to play through it.
10 weeks later: Gonna bench him, maybe Option A was the better approach.
11 weeks later: Just kidding! He's ready. He had a week to figure it out.
12 weeks later: April fools. Let's get the guy in there we never intended to play

How the fuck can you take this staff seriously?

I fully expect Kessler to suck and Kizer to be starting the next game.

Kessler to get hurt*

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[FiveThous]

Does Hue look clueless on the sideline during the games or does he appear to be into the game? What’s his general demeanor?

Honestly? From what I've seen, he looks annoyed.

 

[The Oi]

Honestly? From what I've seen, he looks annoyed.

Keep him.