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Hue Jackson and Todd Haley Fired

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I'mWithDan said:
What is the end game there though?

What long term benefit is there to playing guys like Hogan or Kessler?

The franchise is far better off bombing out with Kizer than they are playing guys who (clearly) have no long term future IMO.

The difference a player like Hogan or Kessler would make, over the course of a 16 game season, is incredibly marginal. But you're getting that marginal difference, in most cases, by sacrificing the possible development of a young QB.

There's a ton of examples of young QB's being downright miserable their rookie year. It's a relatively known fact that a majority of first year players really struggle adjusting to the NFL game (especially QB's). But their franchises and coaches have patience in developing them.

The key distinction there is you can have patience in two ways:

Option A. By holding a player out until he has a year or two (or three) of development in an NFL system and there is a consensus he is ready to step in and immediately succeed.

Option B. By playing a player immediately, knowing he could potentially be really bad before he's good.

Our path has been.......

Start of the camp: Ok, we're gonna do Option A
Two weeks later: Ok, we said we were gonna do Option A but he looks decent
Three weeks later: Now he might be better than decent but we think we are doing Option A
Four weeks later: You know what, we might wanna do Option B
Five weeks later: Yeah, pretty sure we wanna do Option B, so uh...let's cut the vet guy
Six weeks later: He was bad but he's going to play through his mistakes
8 weeks later: Yep, we're going with Option A still, gonna give him a chance to play through it.
10 weeks later: Gonna bench him, maybe Option A was the better approach.
11 weeks later: Just kidding! He's ready. He had a week to figure it out.
12 weeks later: April fools. Let's get the guy in there we never intended to play

How the fuck can you take this staff seriously?

I fully expect Kessler to suck and Kizer to be starting the next game.
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The end game is when Kizer finally gets some things through his head and stops being the primary reason we lose. The way we get there is Kizer gets the next start and he plays until he makes enough stupid mistakes to hurt our chances of winning therefore get himself benched again. Then Kessler comes in as the relief pitcher to try to salvage a win. Lather, rinse and repeat UNTIL Kizer quits fucking up our chances to win.

Meanwhile Kizer gets negative reinforcement for not executing his position the way he's being taught, he gets rewarded by staying in the game when he finally gets his shit together. Sooner or later this will happen. If it doesn't happen we just go ahead and draft the best QB we can in the next draft and move on from Kizer.

I don't see how this is less effective than your idea of just leaving Kizer out there to keep throwing interceptions that cost us games. With your way how do you keep the team from quitting on Kizer? The players on the field want to win a game. The way you want to do it is the way we ruin Kizer IMO.

By now Kizer is aware of what will happen and what he personally needs to do to change it. When the kid figures out that taking care of the ball is important, using the right throwing mechanics so his passes don't sail is important, getting rid of the ball is important, he will get to finish games. He just needs to be the QB that gives us the best chance of win instead of the reason we lose.
 
The Oi said:
Does Hue look clueless on the sideline during the games or does he appear to be into the game? What’s his general demeanor?
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I'mWithDan said:
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It's the only decision to make. Messy as it looks, you need to see Kizer in as many games/snaps as possible. Bringing in a reliever isn't ideal, but I don't think it should have any influence on Kizer starting every game from here out.
 
Hue needs to stick with Kizer and suffer through the growing pains. I could see sitting him in the interest of winning games if we had a competent backup but given that all of these guys are rough, Hue may as well play the guy with upside and see if he figures things out by the end of the year.
 
How many innings will Kizer last in London? That foggy air won't be ideal since he is a ground ball thrower.
 
Huber. said:
How many innings will Kizer last in London? That foggy air won't be ideal since he is a ground ball thrower.
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On the contrary, defenders will have a difficult time locating balls sailing over the heads of Browns receivers in all that fog.

Advantage, Kizer. Brilliant decision by Hue.
 
Huber. said:
How many innings will Kizer last in London? That foggy air won't be ideal since he is a ground ball thrower.
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The biggest issue with playing in London isn't the fog or even the travel. It's the condition of the field. It's been one of the worse field to play on for years. Crow might have an even harder time staying up.
 
The biggest issues are the penalties. Fix the fucking stupid mental mistakes/errors and we could have a 1 in the W column right now.






well and besides the fact we just flat out suck flabby ass cheeks.
 
Norm said:
My thought is that Jackson needs this public vote of confidence.

And then again, if he can't get 3-4 wins over the next 9 games, things change
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Why does he need that? Are his players already starting to tune him out?
 
shoes22 said:
Why does he need that? Are his players already starting to tune him out?
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No. Just thinking on my part with the way the season has went so far
 
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