Jamison to Cavs? ESPN Insider

[kovanovich]

Nothing.

Really, it all comes down to whether or not they want to move him. Like kovanovich said, no other teams have been linked to him, although Stein (or someone?) did say multiple teams are interested without naming any names. Without knowing our competition - if there actually is any - it's hard to gauge our chances. If they really want to move him and they simply aren't getting the offers they expected....they could definitely be forced to deal him here despite the supposed "bad blood."

I guess we should all be hoping that 1) they are 100% set on moving him, and 2) no other teams put up respectable offers for him. Certain quotes seem to be pointing towards them keeping him, but with smokescreens and everything who knows what's actually happening.

Of course, Iggy should be our #1 target now anyways and hopefully that goes well so we don't need to worry about Washington's hesitance to deal with us

Well, George Thomas of the ABJ, in an article included in this thread, did assert other teams would be interested:

What are the prospects of getting Jamison? With owner Dan Gilbert's willingness to make moves, Ferry would have an opportunity here. But if the Wizards make Jamison available, a lot of teams would be interested.

Needless to say, I don't think this is the best source. I have not seen Stein or anyone else say that a team other than the Cavs was interested in Jamison. If there were any other team, I can't imagine that it wouldn't have been leaked by someone to the media.

Also, it's been made pretty clear that anyone on the Wizards is available in a trade. I will be really surprised if the Wizards don't make some moves before the deadline. They should be able to get something for Butler and/or one of their major expiring contracts (Haywood and Miller), which would jump start their rebuilding efforts...

I'll also add that reporting that Arenas has played his last game for Washington, even if this means the Wizards would need to buy out the remaining years on his contract, would give the Wizards even more reason to move Jamison. You don't rebuild with a 34 year old as your go-to guy. It makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Triumph36]

Well, George Thomas of the ABJ, in an article included in this thread, did assert other teams would be interested:



Needless to say, I don't think this is the best source. I have not seen Stein or anyone else say that a team other than the Cavs was interested in Jamison. If there were any other team, I can't imagine that it wouldn't have been leaked by someone to the media.

Also, it's been made pretty clear that anyone on the Wizards is available in a trade. I will be really surprised if the Wizards don't make some moves before the deadline. They should be able to get something for Butler and/or one of their major expiring contracts (Haywood and Miller), which would jump start their rebuilding efforts...

I'll also add that reporting that Arenas has played his last game for Washington, even if this means the Wizards would need to buy out the remaining years on his contract, would give the Wizards even more reason to move Jamison. You don't rebuild with a 34 year old as your go-to guy. It makes absolutely no sense.

My mistake, it wasn't any of the ESPN guys. It was a comment made by Michael Lee that doesn't exactly imply multiple teams have inquired about Jamison....but it seems kinda ambiguous:

Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison have been targeted, according to multiple league sources, but the Wizards are also considering moving Arenas, whose off-court antics -- including recently storing guns in the locker room -- have begun to wear on some within the organization.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/03/AR2010010302215.html

Perhaps we should just stick with the "we're probably the only team interested" mentality, heh.

 

[GonzoRatso88]

Isn't it funny the last deadline deal we made, we were told by all the national pundits that we didn't have the assets to make a trade. I remember our only expirings that year were Donyell Marshall and Ira Newble. Last years trade deadline we had Wally/Eric Snows expiring deals, Hickson, and draft picks and we didn't make a deal. I could definitely see the same happening here. We could have the assets to make a deal, but either a player that is offered to us won't fit, or we just won't want to give up a lot for a player. We have a lot of names coming up, but I am getting a feeling that we will probably stand pat.

 

[kovanovich]

Isn't it funny the last deadline deal we made, we were told by all the national pundits that we didn't have the assets to make a trade. I remember our only expirings that year were Donyell Marshall and Ira Newble. Last years trade deadline we had Wally/Eric Snows expiring deals, Hickson, and draft picks and we didn't make a deal. I could definitely see the same happening here. We could have the assets to make a deal, but either a player that is offered to us won't fit, or we just won't want to give up a lot for a player. We have a lot of names coming up, but I am getting a feeling that we will probably stand pat.

Well, in 2008 the team was really struggling, the team chemistry was awful, and Ferry was really motivated to do a major shakeup. He pulled off a great trade, but also had to be a bit lucky since complicated multi-team trades so easily fall apart.

My guess is the Cavs do feel less urgency to make a deal now than they did a few weeks ago. However, for a number of reasons, I still think there's a reasonably good chance.

I'll take a stab at ranking the major players linked to the Cavs recently in the order of the likelihood they will end up in Cleveland. Completely my opinion, of course.

Jamison -- There has clearly been no movement in discussions, with the Wizards apparently asking for a package consisting of Z, Hickson, and a pick, and the Cavs willing to offer much less. But the Wizards have plenty to gain by trading Jamison, even if it is just for Z, with very limited options in terms of trade partners (the list basically consists of Cleveland, from what I can tell). Given his salary and age, plus the falling salary cap, this is likely the last chance for the Wizards to trade Jamison. I think this is almost entirely in Washington's court, and Grunfeld will have to get over his ego and do what is best for the franchise. All it would take is one phone call from Grunfeld to Ferry to completely change the dynamic and make the deal happen.

Iguodala -- It seems that of the 4 players I am listing, he is the most likely to be traded, except maybe for Stoudemire. I think it was difficult for us in RCF and NBA GMs to get our minds around the reality that Philly actually does want to trade him. My sense is that in order to get Iggy, the Cavs will need to provide substantial additional salary relief by taking on another bad Philly contract, since the Cavs don't have as many assets as other potential trade partners. Will the Cavs think Iggy is worth it, especially since integrating him on the team will not be seamless? My guess is it won't happen, but it is intriguing. If Ferry does have a good relationship with the 76ers FO -- which seems to me odd since Ed Stefanski has burdened that team with a bunch of bad contracts -- it won't hurt.

Murphy -- Indy has much less to gain from trading him than Washington does from trading Jamison, and would seem to be less motivated. I'm not 100% certain the Cavs would be interested in him at this point, but if they can get him for Z (followed by a buy out), I think they'd have to do that. Just not sure that Indy will come down that much in their asking price, but they might.

Stoudemire -- Of these 4, rumors connecting him to Cleveland are the weakest. Ferry does have a good relationship (I think) with Steve Kerr. It seems to me the chances are good that Phoenix trades him by the deadline. But my sense is the Cavs' interest is only tepid. Hickson would be of interest to Phoenix, but I am not at all sure what Amare's trade value is right now.

 

[NarlCavs]

Personally I don't see a big market for Jamison. I can't think of another team that has a need for him, would be interested, and most importantly would be willing to take on the $28.4 million left on his contract after this season along with having the assets and offer of salary relief to get him. The Cavs are really the only realistic definite possible team out there and should be the ones in the driver's seat in any trade negotiations.

George Thomas is a good guy but I'm not sure he's the best source of in depth and behind the scenes Cavs info. He's really only the Cavs beat writer for the ABJ because of the huge cutbacks at the paper. A few years back he was their movie reviewer and when they stopped doing that he covered OSU football and when they stopped doing that and Windhorst left for the PD they shifted him to the Cavs beat because they're too cheap to ever hire replacements and instead shift current staff to other positions. I thought Thomas was a very good movie reviewer and does do a good job when filling in covering football.

Kovanovich has a great review of the biggest names rumored in connection with the Cavs. I don't see Amare as an option anymore either. I wonder if Murphy is even worth pursuing. Is he that much of an upgrade? If it only costs Z and maybe a little more like a future #2 and you know you can get Z back than maybe you do it.
I think you definitely go after Iguodala even if you have to take back another contract. The contracts of players like Dalembert or Kapono expire after next season so it's not like there's a long term commitment to them.
Jamison is #2 after Iggy on my list. You go for him if you don't have to give up good young assets.

 

[CardiacCavs]

I just hope Ferry doesn't make a move to just make a move. IMO Z+JJ+1st rounder is too much for Jamison. Hell, I think Z+JJ might be too much. I really like what we might have in JJ, and i'm not sure if we want to trade him already. He's one of the only true developing talents we have.

Hopefully Ferry will make the right move (Or not make a move at all.)

 

[Mdog1]

I just hope Ferry doesn't make a move to just make a move. IMO Z+JJ+1st rounder is too much for Jamison. Hell, I think Z+JJ might be too much. I really like what we might have in JJ, and i'm not sure if we want to trade him already. He's one of the only true developing talents we have.

Hopefully Ferry will make the right move (Or not make a move at all.)

If we have to trade JJ then we don't make the trade IMO. JJ is to much for a 33 year old player.

 

[Phills14]

As Iguodala heats up, epic Jamison thread starts to cool down.

 

[ACDC_Rocks024]

^^It shouldn't, either. In the case of the Cavs, including chemistry and all, Jamison>Iggy...

 

[Smooth]

I really struggle seeing the Wizards not making Jamison available considering the type of financial shape their team is in, how old Jamison is and where their team is headed... If they're offered a pure expiring with some decent talent thrown in, they'd be stupid not to take it and I have a hard time seeing them turn it down when February 18th hits...

If the Wiz truly like Jamison as much as they do, they'd do him the favor of moving him to a championship team where they know he could win a title and contribute rather than wasting any more years in a cesspool..

 

[Phills14]

I can see the Wiz keeping Jamison to help build team chemistry as they unload their knucklehead talent

 

[PIP]

Hello Jamison thread.. Did you hear that Iggy is available ?

The folks will be back to molesting you when they're done with Iggy...

Hang tight... :shifty:

 

[LeBaron James]

I like Jamison as a player, and personally think he is a better fit than Iggy but that being said, just imagine this lineup:

Mo
Delonte
Iggy
LBJ
AV

I can honestly say that might be the best 5 we could ever assemble. The problem is LBJ does NOT want to be our 4 and that he never will want to. That is why on Team USA, Kobe was learning the low post moves and LBJ wasnt. He doesnt want to be a 4. If that trade happened and that lineup would be out there, I fear for the rest of the NBA.

Also, the only guys I have any desire in getting are Jamison (best fit with LBJ at 3), Iggy (best fit IF LBJ played the 4), and Amare (best fit for the future). I like Murphy IF we can get him for Z's expiring alone (which wont happen) and then they buy him out and we essentially get him for free. Thats about it.

 

[staycoolbruh]

I like Jamison as a player, and personally think he is a better fit than Iggy but that being said, just imagine this lineup:

Mo
Delonte
Iggy
LBJ
AV

I can honestly say that might be the best 5 we could ever assemble. The problem is LBJ does NOT want to be our 4 and that he never will want to. That is why on Team USA, Kobe was learning the low post moves and LBJ wasnt. He doesnt want to be a 4. If that trade happened and that lineup would be out there, I fear for the rest of the NBA.

Also, the only guys I have any desire in getting are Jamison (best fit with LBJ at 3), Iggy (best fit IF LBJ played the 4), and Amare (best fit for the future). I like Murphy IF we can get him for Z's expiring alone (which wont happen) and then they buy him out and we essentially get him for free. Thats about it.

Dude, i don't know what you are talking about but players don't really have to play the same position the whole damn game. Iggy can play SG/SF. The lineup you mentioned would the small line up.

We currently use that lineup in stretches, we use Moon or Parker instead of Iggy. Getting Iggy would make us a better defensive team and would make us much more versatile, gives us an extra ball hander that can not only make plays for himself but also for his team mates.

 

[Photon]

With small ball lineup, we have advantage not because LBJ can play the 4 on offense (down low, or as a "stretch" four), but because he can guard the 4 spot too. If not any team would try lineups like that. Abuse the slower 4's on offense and you are good to go, but there is no other SF that can cover 4 as effective on defense as he abuses them on offense. If you put bigger 4 on LeBron he will blow past him, if you try to cover him with smaller he will (since this season) go to work down low. Throw in another athletic player, like Iggy is, and you've got yourself a winner.