Jeff Green: Old

[I'mWithDan]

When people say he looks good/great based on highlights, I can't help but notice he looks just like a Derrick Williams kind of guy. The question is who has the better Bball IQ? Will he end up the same demise as him? Last question seems kind of futile. Just ignore if possible.

He's just a minutes eater who you hope to get 1 or 2 really good games from in the playoffs.

I think too many people are getting wrapped up in what he is or is not. To me, he's exciting simply because he can play 20-25 a night and just soak up some of the minutes load.

Would it be great if he turns in to more than that? Sure .....but for the minimum, just having a guy who can keep wear off of others players on the wing is a huge win.

 

[cavsfever]

The Derrick Williams comparisons are lazy. Green has been the better player his whole career and it's not even close.

They are pretty different players but DWill shot 60% from 2 and 40% from 3 last year, with a 60% effective FG%. Green has never approached that kind of efficiency in his whole career. Over their entire careers DWill has not gotten the chance/opportunities Green has and is less developed, but their per-36 numbers are extremely close -- 15.5 points per 36 minutes on a 47.3% effective FG% for DWill, 15.7 points per 36 minutes on a 47.9% effective FG% for Green. DWill also collects significantly more rebounds than Green -- 6.9 boards/36 for DWill vs 4.3/36 for Green.

So it looks to me like we are rejecting a younger player with possibly a higher potential IF they were developed for a player who is 5+ years older and who has shown what his potential is.

We'll see how Green looks next to Lebron. Also, might not have been able to get DWill for the minimum.

 

[The Red Viper]

Yeah, I am slowly warming up to the signing.

Esp for vets minimum, its a good deal. There is some upside to the signing that way. Also, we aren't much of an athletic team. So to add a player like Jeff Green who is athletic and has length instead of a corpse is indeed quite positive!

Its just that after being high on Jeff Green and watching him show those flashes of brilliance but more often than not flatter to deceive due to poor basketball IQ and laziness, I gave up on him!

 

[Hugmenot]

Of the 12 guys who played a minimum of 700 minutes on the Magic last season, Jeff Green finished 11th in Box Plus/Minus. Eleventh amongst his peers on a team that finished 29-53.

I am sure he will look better next to LeBron but so would hundreds of players.

 

[bigfoot5415]

Of the 12 guys who played a minimum of 700 minutes on the Magic last season, Jeff Green finished 11th in Box Plus/Minus. Eleventh amongst his peers on a team that finished 29-53.

I am sure he will look better next to LeBron but so would hundreds of players.

Plus minus is very telling no doubt, but lets keep in mind that you could carry your team by shooting 5 for 5, all while shutting your guy down. If your team is down 20 going into the half, your +/- is -20.

The Magic are all time terrible and a disaster of a franchise. I wont put too much weight into that.

 

[bigfoot5415]

They are pretty different players but DWill shot 60% from 2 and 40% from 3 last year, with a 60% effective FG%. Green has never approached that kind of efficiency in his whole career. Over their entire careers DWill has not gotten the chance/opportunities Green has and is less developed, but their per-36 numbers are extremely close -- 15.5 points per 36 minutes on a 47.3% effective FG% for DWill, 15.7 points per 36 minutes on a 47.9% effective FG% for Green. DWill also collects significantly more rebounds than Green -- 6.9 boards/36 for DWill vs 4.3/36 for Green.

So it looks to me like we are rejecting a younger player with possibly a higher potential IF they were developed for a player who is 5+ years older and who has shown what his potential is.

We'll see how Green looks next to Lebron. Also, might not have been able to get DWill for the minimum.

Meh...

Ive seen Derrick Williams barely average double digits once or twice, I have seen Green do it on multiple occasions as a lower option.

We need bench scoring plain and simple. If you look at the splits, our starters outscored theres in the series. Add in the needed length and athleticism.....and the vet min contract and its a no brainer.

 

[MarkPriceFan]

They are pretty different players but DWill shot 60% from 2 and 40% from 3 last year, with a 60% effective FG%. Green has never approached that kind of efficiency in his whole career. Over their entire careers DWill has not gotten the chance/opportunities Green has and is less developed, but their per-36 numbers are extremely close -- 15.5 points per 36 minutes on a 47.3% effective FG% for DWill, 15.7 points per 36 minutes on a 47.9% effective FG% for Green. DWill also collects significantly more rebounds than Green -- 6.9 boards/36 for DWill vs 4.3/36 for Green.

So it looks to me like we are rejecting a younger player with possibly a higher potential IF they were developed for a player who is 5+ years older and who has shown what his potential is.

We'll see how Green looks next to Lebron. Also, might not have been able to get DWill for the minimum.

This makes me hope we can somehow retain Derrick as well. Obviously if he is going to get lucrative offer then oh well, but if he is just sitting there unsigned getting towards preseason we should sign him to a minimum contract and keep him.

 

[bigfoot5415]

This makes me hope we can somehow retain Derrick as well. Obviously if he is going to get lucrative offer then oh well, but if he is just sitting there unsigned getting towards preseason we should sign him to a minimum contract and keep him.

If its feasible sure. Young, length, still has upside...and we are 1 year away from his early bird rights.

If you accept the thought of Cedi coming on board, then we have 14 spots.

1 spot left for either Dwill....or a big. Either could be argued for. The more I think about it, the more I hope we see the front court breakdown like this:

C- TT 30 min / Frye 14 / Taveras in spot minutes
PF- Love 30 min / Green 18
SF- Lebron 30 min / Dwill 18

Obviously Lebron's ability to handle the ball opens up additional minutes at SF for either the guys above, Cedi, or RJ. There could also be some nights where more Love is needed, or less where Edy logs more minutes. This is just a general framework.

Its a good problem to have more guys that can play in Lebron's spot.

I just hope, they figure out what Taveras is early enough in the year to determine if his roster spot should go to a veteran big that may be out there.

For the back court (just because I like to add my entire thought process):

SG- Korver 20/ JR 20/ Shump 8 if necessary or Cedi
PG- Kyrie 30/ Jose 10/ Lebron in spot minutes.

Managing minutes while kicking opponents teeth in should be relatively easy to do.


Of course this all goes out the window if you acquire Melo or are able to move Shump for a big. The more I think about it, the more open I am to moving Shump, giving his minutes (at any position) to Cedi. The question is, how does an injury impact those "minutes".

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

If its feasible sure. Young, length, still has upside...and we are 1 year away from his early bird rights.

If you accept the thought of Cedi coming on board, then we have 14 spots.

1 spot left for either Dwill....or a big. Either could be argued for. The more I think about it, the more I hope we see the front court breakdown like this:

C- TT 30 min / Frye 14 / Taveras in spot minutes
PF- Love 30 min / Green 18
SF- Lebron 30 min / Dwill 18

Obviously Lebron's ability to handle the ball opens up additional minutes at SF for either the guys above, Cedi, or RJ.

Its a good problem to have more guys that can play in Lebrun's spot.

I just hope, they figure out what Taveras is early enough in the year to determine if his roster spot should go to a veteran big that may be out there.

We're badly in need of another wing defender. RJ and optimally Shump need to go since JJ is content to waste another roster spot.

A big and a wing defender a la Sefalosha or Moute take priority over Derrick Williams.

 

[bigfoot5415]

We're badly in need of another wing defender. RJ and optimally Shump need to go since JJ is content to waste another roster spot.

A big and a wing defender a la Sefalosha or Moute take priority over Derrick Williams.

Is JJ staying? I thought he was done?

 

[Kbiz]

We're badly in need of another wing defender. RJ and optimally Shump need to go since JJ is content to waste another roster spot.

A big and a wing defender a la Sefalosha or Moute take priority over Derrick Williams.

Is JJ staying? I thought he was done?

James Jones is retiring. With that said, we still need a good wing defender.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Of the 12 guys who played a minimum of 700 minutes on the Magic last season, Jeff Green finished 11th in Box Plus/Minus. Eleventh amongst his peers on a team that finished 29-53.

I am sure he will look better next to LeBron but so would hundreds of players.

+/- for an individual can be pretty wonky, especially on bad teams.

If you look at the Magic's best 5-man lineup combinations with 100+ minutes Green was on the one that had the best NET rating at +2.2.

I'm not saying that is great or anything but bad teams typically have players with +/- ratings that aren't good. Wether he is first for last doesn't mean that much to me.

He'll be asked to do a lot less here, which is important for role player types. The Cavs will hopefully put him in a position where he is simply asked to do what it is he does well and nothing else. We'll see.

 

[kookoo]

James Jones is retiring. With that said, we still need a good wing defender.

I'd say we need defenders at each position.

 

[LennoxLewis]

He hit a game winning 3 on 2k17 for me, if that's not any indication that this signing was a win, I don't what else would be.

 

[Tressel33]

D Williams was looking good when he was getting minutes. Then after JR came back, the final two weeks of the season or so, you could see Williams was not part of the rotation moving forward towards the playoffs. Again not sure why Lue wouldn't let this young, lengthy, and athletic body play a few minutes per playoff game? What would 10 minutes or so in the Finals against GS hurt? Don't tell me he couldn't have covered Iggy? Give me a break, I think he would have been perfect against Iggy. Just freaking stay with him. Crap as wide open as Iggy was on most of his 3's he shot, he sure as hell should have made them. He's in the freaking NBA.