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You guys are acting like Derrick Williams was just drafted. There are several seasons worth of evidence that Derrick Williams is nothing more than a bench energy guy on a good team. I watched this guy get significant minutes for the Knicks just the season before last and he was maddeningly inconsistent. I'm not saying he can't improve, but I highly doubt you guys missed out on seeing how good he is at this point of his career.

We didn't ask much of him and that lineup with him and Korver with Lebron off the bench was killing teams. We wanted 10-15 minutes of their athleticism and size as a change of pace. Instead we got the corpse of Deron doing nothing. It wasn't so much Derrick himself, but as a guy that no one is guarding he was quite good and he actually helped the defense.
 
Dud, dud, dud. Throw him in there with Calderon, Korver, (Shump, RJ, Frye [last yr]) and Irving as negative defenders on the roster.

Cedi (He's 22!) is the only one am excited to see on that end of the floor last year. If he blows or TT doesn't play him, then...

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Man, next year's regular season is gonna be one for the ages.

Korver is not a negative defender. He is a very slightly positive defender. Not saying Korver is a good defender, but is effort and bb-iq make up for a lack of lateral movement and make him an average defender.

Shump was average last year too, but in the past he has been a plus defender.
 
Defensively it helps that Korver is 6'7" where Shump is 6'5". Just using his wingspan helps to alter shots.
Durant is a prime example of how he rotates on help defense and alters shots with his freakish reach.
Korver moves well enough just to be in position to contest.

The difference between Deron and Derrick is decision making. Deron is capable of creating offense with his PnR dribble drive penetration and passing ability where as Derrick is a spot shooter or roll to the rim dunker, which I feel is heavily reliant on LeBron. The priority for the bench this year should be self sustainability, which requires offensive creators. Deron is far too old and slow but I do like his decision making, I would love to upgrade that position but dont know if thats gonna happen.
 
Defensively it helps that Korver is 6'7" where Shump is 6'5". Just using his wingspan helps to alter shots.
Durant is a prime example of how he rotates on help defense and alters shots with his freakish reach.
Korver moves well enough just to be in position to contest.

The difference between Deron and Derrick is decision making. Deron is capable of creating offense with his PnR dribble drive penetration and passing ability where as Derrick is a spot shooter or roll to the rim dunker, which I feel is heavily reliant on LeBron. The priority for the bench this year should be self sustainability, which requires offensive creators. Deron is far too old and slow but I do like his decision making, I would love to upgrade that position but dont know if thats gonna happen.
Deron? He gone.
 
Green has had a mediocre career, and he was historically bad last year. Maybe he can accept a role here, play to his strengths, and at least be mediocre again. I'll be waiting to see what LMBM and Sefolosha get (or Williams for that matter). Wouldn't be surprised to see at least one get the minimum.

So Thabo got 2 yrs/$10.5M from Utah and Mbah Moute got the minimum from Houston.

Houston signed both Mbah Moute and PJ Tucker, wing/combo forward defenders who they can use against Golden State.

Tony Allen is another defensive wing that I didn't mention, mainly because of his advanced age, but he is still available and it doesn't seem Memphis is eager to bring him back.
 
Defensively it helps that Korver is 6'7" where Shump is 6'5". Just using his wingspan helps to alter shots.
Durant is a prime example of how he rotates on help defense and alters shots with his freakish reach.
Korver moves well enough just to be in position to contest.

The difference between Deron and Derrick is decision making. Deron is capable of creating offense with his PnR dribble drive penetration and passing ability where as Derrick is a spot shooter or roll to the rim dunker, which I feel is heavily reliant on LeBron. The priority for the bench this year should be self sustainability, which requires offensive creators. Deron is far too old and slow but I do like his decision making, I would love to upgrade that position but dont know if thats gonna happen.

When did he make good decisions? When he passed the ball 10 feet in front of Lebron?
 
So Thabo got 2 yrs/$10.5M from Utah and Mbah Moute got the minimum from Houston.

Houston signed both Mbah Moute and PJ Tucker, wing/combo forward defenders who they can use against Golden State.

Tony Allen is another defensive wing that I didn't mention, mainly because of his advanced age, but he is still available and it doesn't seem Memphis is eager to bring him back.


Obviously, the organization has something in the works. For them to have some of those players that were available, and still available doesn't make sense. Also, for them to be leaving an open roster spot, tells us they know something. That's the only thing I can think of. I still say they are going to be getting Melo. I also think that's why Cedi was signed, he will be part of the deal. JMO...
 
The Scar

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/jeff-green-the-scar/

As a professional athlete, I rely on my body to listen to my mind like a Formula 1 driver expects his car to respond to his maneuvers. I take great pride in my fitness, strength and athletic ability. I know that I have a God-given gift.

One morning, five years ago, that special gift was taken away.

Following a routine NBA physical with the Boston Celtics, I was diagnosed with a dangerous enlargement of the valve to my aorta, the main blood vessel in the body. Most people only find out about this condition after the aorta ruptures, which is usually fatal. The Celtics doctor found the top aortic valve surgeon in America, Dr. Lars Svensson, who performed open-heart surgery on me in January 2012.

When I woke up after surgery, Dr. Svensson told me, “Look at yourself in the mirror, when you get a chance. You are going to see a different person” and that I needed to get used to that. For the first few days, I wouldn’t get up and look. I didn’t want to take off my gown and look at my chest. I just stayed in bed. By about the fourth or fifth day, I finally limped over to the bathroom, took off my gown and stood in front of the mirror.

I was shirtless, just like I’d been a thousand other times during pickup games or practices. But, this time, I didn’t recognize the body I was looking at.

Instead of the smooth, muscled chest I was used to seeing, there was a long, jagged, pink line from the base of my neck to the top of my abdomen. It was a scar, running nine inches across my chest. That wasn’t all. Right above my abdomen, I saw three huge, sewn up holes from where tubes pumped fluids in and out during the surgery. (Years later those marks are still there. They look like bullet wounds.) And there were divots from the 16 rods that held open my rib cage — where Dr. Svensson and his team at the Cleveland Clinic opened my chest — that ran along the length of the scar. At the bottom of the scar, right above my abs, there was a section of skin that resembled the rectangular, springy end of a diving board, and you could see the stitches poking through the bottom of my chest.

In one day, everything I knew about my body had changed. And all the confidence I had felt about maintaining this body had been completely drained.

Standing in front of the mirror, I started crying. It was hitting me — this is forever.

About a week into recovery, I headed to a physical rehab in Waltham, MA that the Celtics had set me up with. A lot of people there were recovering from various kinds of heart operations themselves — but I was the only person there under 60 years old. I remember this one older man and one older woman who were always on the treadmills next to me. They would be walking for 10-20 minutes at a time, no problem. At that time, in the first weeks after my operation, I could walk for about five minutes on the treadmill, but then I’d be exhausted. My doctor promised me that each day I would get a little bit better, but it was easy to get depressed about my progress. Sixty-year olds were lapping me on the treadmill.

But every day, I would see the same man and the same woman next to me on the treadmill. And something specific about that man and woman’s attitude completely changed my perspective.

They never stopped smiling. Like, 24/7. Walking and smiling. That inspired me. You can do this, I thought. Keep pushing, Jeff.

My attitude got a lot better during that period. But I still couldn’t really process that fresh, raw scar — it was a constant reminder of how real this all was. I just wanted the scar to go away. I was dousing that thing in special scar cream, cocoa butter, whatever I could find that promised to accelerate the healing. You can ask my dad — I was obsessed with any product that could somehow make the scar go away. I didn’t want to face it at all. But after weeks of doing all that maintenance with very little impact on its appearance, I realized the scar wasn’t going anywhere. I didn’t have much of a choice: I decided to at least try to own the scar. And the best way to do that, in my mind, was to make it part of my routine. I’m gonna show this thing off, I thought. I’m gonna take my shirt off anytime I’m lifting or working out. That way, I’d be forcing myself to adapt.

After a month or so of rehab, I rejoined the Celtics. I wasn’t jumping into full practices yet, but I was working a lot with the strength coach, Bryan Doo. And every time I worked out, I’d make it a point to do it shirtless. Immediately, some guys on the teams were… well … surprised by my decision to pop that shirt off. Kevin Garnett caught me one time — “Dude, put your shirt on!” Same with Paul Pierce, Courtney Lee, even Bryan. I don’t care what they think, I’m keeping the damn shirt off, I thought. They were pretty shocked at first, because at that point the scar was still pretty nasty. But eventually I think they got what I was doing — they saw that I needed to motivate myself, and to remind myself what I was coming back from. After a while, everyone was normal about it. It even got to the point where my teammates thought I was being too cocky with it. I’m showing this thing off, baby.

Before, I hated my scar.

Now I needed it.

I needed to see the scar to remind myself of what I’d been through. And every reaction I got about it only served as another reminder. I couldn’t help but smile. If the scar was still there, it meant I was still alive.

Last year, I got signed to a new team, the Orlando Magic. Before a game one time, a new teammate was asking me about my surgery and what the recovery was like. Elfrid Payton overheard us and came over to join the conversation.

“Jeff,” Elfrid said. “You had HEART surgery?!”

I was like, Yeah man, five years ago! He was shocked. But then he had a whole bunch of questions about it, and I found myself genuinely enjoying telling Elfrid the whole story.

It’s been more than five years since January 2012 when I woke up in the hospital after my operation. There’s not a day that goes by where I don’t feel the scar on my body. It’s healed a lot, but it’s still the same size as it always was. When I run my hands along it, it still feels like the entirety of my chest. The texture of the scar, and its appearance — those things will never change much. It’s always going to be a part of me.

I might not pop my shirt off as much anymore. But everything changed when I decided to own that scar, not hide from it. It’s really amazing — the same thing that terrified me at first became the symbol for everything I’ve been through.

Now, when I look in the mirror, I see Iron Man.
 
I see a lot of people criticizing Jeff Green as someone who is somewhat of a disappointment career-wise, who has under performed his potential, who is someone that doesn't move the needle on the talent level of the roster.

In all that criticism I've never seen this mentioned before, and I personally didn't know this was a part of this guy's history. The guy is 5 years removed from having his chest cracked open and from getting one of the most traumatic surgeries there is.Now he's made it back to playing in NBA rotations. I find it amazing what he's overcome. How tough of a MF'er is this guy, to make it back from open heart surgery to the NBA?

It just seems like something that's been ignored or at least minimized by his critics.
 
I see a lot of people criticizing Jeff Green as someone who is somewhat of a disappointment career-wise, who has under performed his potential, who is someone that doesn't move the needle on the talent level of the roster.

In all that criticism I've never seen this mentioned before, and I personally didn't know this was a part of this guy's history. The guy is 5 years removed from having his chest cracked open and from getting one of the most traumatic surgeries there is.Now he's made it back to playing in NBA rotations. I find it amazing what he's overcome. How tough of a MF'er is this guy, to make it back from open heart surgery to the NBA?

It just seems like something that's been ignored or at least minimized by his critics.

Great story but at the end of the day he's still a bad basketball player. Which is why he gets criticized.
 
If you've followed his career you'd see he's always underperformed. He's super talented but inconsistent. Known for being passive and unmotivated. He has the reputation for a reason.
 
Wrong thread, please delete.
 
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If you've followed his career you'd see he's always underperformed. He's super talented but inconsistent. Known for being passive and unmotivated. He has the reputation for a reason.
And once a talented player is pegged as being unmotivated there's never any chance that can improve, is there?

Any chance his health issues may have had an effect on his aggressiveness and confidence at various points of his career?
 

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