Jimmy Butler Safari

[Mott the Hoople]

A Cavs team with Love, Butler, and Sexton would have as good a chance to win the East as anybody else.

Would Butler be a one year rental? I don't know. Ask Paul George.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

A Cavs team with Love, Butler, and Sexton would have as good a chance to win the East as anybody else.

Would Butler be a one year rental? I don't know. Ask Paul George.

Please.

Cavs just barely beat a depleted Celtics team with Lebron, and they have equal odds at reaching the finals as the Celtics with Butler, a career .130 WS/48 playoffs player?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Please.

Cavs just barely defeated a depleted Celtics team with Lebron, and they have equal odds at reaching the finals as the Celtics with Butler, a .130 WS/48 player?

A healthy Love/Butler/Sexton isn't going to beat a healthy Celtics team, or a healthy Toronto team that added Kawhi. Injuries could scramble the table, but trading assets for a short-term chance that's based only on better teams suffering major injuries is a bad strategy.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

A healthy Love/Butler/Sexton isn't going to beat a healthy Celtics team, or a healthy Toronto team that added Kawhi. Injuries could scramble the table, but trading assets for a short-term chance that's based only on better teams suffering major injuries is a bad strategy.

Wouldn't feel comfortable against the Bucks and the Pacers either.

Pacers neutralised Love and I consider Oladipo at this point in time a better player than Butler.

 

[Green Lantern]

While I wouldn't mind Butler, not sure he would want to come.
It would be interesting but I don't want to see the Cavs give up anything that would be tremendous value to them later..
So I'm 50-50 on it.
Now Mr Kyrie ..I won't entertain it..why?
Because as mentioned he had a shot to stay..but his contempt of Lebron and maybe Gilbert (aslo heard he was ticked at Lue but who isn't ?)burned that bridge, no matter who was at fault, but the way he acted to get out was very narrow minded IMO.
I also heard even before that that his camp(including his dad) wanted him to leave Cleveland.
I doubt that's changed.
Without draft picks the Cavs are going to have to make some moves either to get a top pick or trade for a star or two.
I said before I don't want to see a total rebuild, yet they started on it when they made that last trade during the season.

 

[daytripper]

If Cavs are involved I'm gonna guess it would be more as a 3rd team taking on a contract for a pick..

Wouldn't feel comfortable against the Bucks and the Pacers either.

Pacers neutralised Love and I consider Oladipo at this point in time a better player than Butler.

No doubt Dipo had a breakout season for the Pacers last season and due to his age, attitude and contract likely has much higher trade value than Butler at this point. With that said Butler is still a top 12 player in this league and is currently still a better player than Oladipo.

Would I take Butler on the Cavs? Sure as long as he has a good attitude and they don't give up Sexton (or Nance, Cedi tbh) in the deal.
With the Cavs expirings it's probably a better chance they are a 3rd team in such a deal and even that might be a slim chance with a team like Sacramento hanging around that can use pure capspace to park a contract.

 

[TitleTown]

Please.

Cavs just barely beat a depleted Celtics team with Lebron, and they have equal odds at reaching the finals as the Celtics with Butler, a career .130 WS/48 playoffs player?

So you don't believe that Cedi can make up the difference?

Seriously, though...I'm not sure what our team would look like because it would depend on what we have to give up to land Butler.

 

[TitleTown]

...but trading assets for a short-term chance that's based only on better teams suffering major injuries is a bad strategy.

But...that may not be what we're doing. It will be interesting to see which package actually lands Butler. I don't think the offers for him will be all that competitive.

 

[CleveRocks]

So landing Kyrie Irving required, the Brooklyn pick ( projected lottery at the time) an injured Isaiah Thomas, an attitudinal Jae Crowder and Ante Zizic..I am thinking we also had Bostons 2018 first..

Jimmy Butler is a very good p layer, but he is not Kyrie, whom I consider a franchise player.

It will be interesting to see what returns, but IMO, it wont be better than we got for Kyrie..

 

[TitleTown]

It will be interesting to see what returns, but IMO, it wont be better than we got for Kyrie..

Agreed.

I think the package that lands Butler will be nowhere close to as good as what we got in return for Kyrie.

 

[daddywags]

Well, as a starting point we could look at what Minny gave the Bulls for Butler last summer - pick swap and two young players (one coming off a major injury). Then adjust for the facts that Butler has one, rather than two, years on his contract and has been very public about wanting out now and only wanting to play for a few select teams. I have to think the market is rather tepid.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Well, as a starting point we could look at what Minny gave the Bulls for Butler last summer - pick swap and two young players (one coming off a major injury). Then adjust for the facts that Butler has one, rather than two, years on his contract and has been very public about wanting out now and only wanting to play for a few select teams. I have to think the market is rather tepid.

Remember, all Indiana got for PG was Olidipo and Sabonis. Plus before last season Olidipo was just considered a mediocre player. He improved greatly last season.

 

[inliner311]

Well, as a starting point we could look at what Minny gave the Bulls for Butler last summer - pick swap and two young players (one coming off a major injury). Then adjust for the facts that Butler has one, rather than two, years on his contract and has been very public about wanting out now and only wanting to play for a few select teams. I have to think the market is rather tepid.

Also Zach Lavine was coming off an ACL surgery.

I could see something where we move Korver to a 3rd team for a pick to send to minny. Take on some money with Dieng and given them Zizic and Dekker in return. Give them expirings to match up salary.

 

[cavsfever]

The package for Butler will be better than what we got for Kyrie. Remember, dumb people like our front office considered Isiah Thomas a good player, an all-star, when that trade was made. He was of course nowhere close to that on our team, something that Ainge understood. Other teams will not be as stupid as we were. The Kyrie trade was really bad and other teams watched and learned.

 

[benchplayer]

There's at least the unknown factor in the draft, whereas you know exactly what you're getting with a guy like Butler. Given our young nucleus, I'd much rather try to build on it rather than cap off their ceiling with an inane "win now" approach where the ceiling is the 2nd round.

I find it ironic that some of Altman's biggest champions are those contending that we should blow our wad on Jimmy Butler; doing so would contradict all of the other moves he's made up till point.

I'm not saying trade our core for jimmy butler, the only player I'd trade the core for is AD. what I'm saying is that it is easy to fall in an endless cycle of tanking and that luck is a huge part of the draft. Its all about due diligence, take a flyer on butler and see if we can get him for T.T or other players that don't need to be here, If not no foul. Also, keep in mind that It was Altman and Dan that extended Love, that alone should tell us that they are not planning on tanking.