"(Kobe) Bryant Doesn't Give 'a bleep' About Where LeBron Will Play" (NY Post)

[doughboy90650]

You see Bryant completely blow Chris Rock off? Then Phil Jackson goes over to Chris Rock and tells him to "Keep your feet off my stage."

LMAO

Actually if you look at the scores, the confrontation with Phil and Rock came before the stare down .....

 

[The_L_Train]

How so?

So because our #2 option last season disappeared in the postseason, and because our #2 & 3 options disappeared this postseason, that means LeBron doesn't have the will to win?

Please show me where a superstar has won a 'ship by himself with no help...

He had help. This isn't a all or nothing dichotomy. There are "shades of help" in between. You don't win 60+ games for two consecutive seasons with no help. I would agree however that James teams are (on paper) not as good as the current Lakers and Celtics teams. However, they are still very good teams.

I'm just throwing this out there, but maybe...just maybe the Cavs failures against good playoff teams begin with James? I don't think it is any coincidence that the two guys in this league which dominate the ball more than any other, James and Nash, have consistently came up short in the playoffs over the last 5 (2 for James) years despite have very good teams.

And LeBron is more responsible for his teams success than Nash is.

IMHO, I think the one proposition that many LeBron fans may seem unwilling to accept/hear is simply that LeBron's style of play has something to do with these consistent playoff losses to bad teams.

That doesn't mean he isn't the best player in the league, however.

 

[GreasySpread36]

He had help. This isn't a all or nothing dichotomy. There are "shades of help" in between. You don't win 60+ games for two consecutive seasons with no help. I would agree however that James teams are (on paper) not as good as the current Lakers and Celtics teams. However, they are still very good teams.

I'm just throwing this out there, but maybe...just maybe the Cavs failures against good playoff teams begin with James? I don't think it is any coincidence that the two guys in this league which dominate the ball more than any other, James and Nash, have consistently came up short in the playoffs over the last 5 (2 for James) years despite have very good teams.

And LeBron is more responsible for his teams success than Nash is.

IMHO, I think the one proposition that many LeBron fans may seem unwilling to accept/hear is simply that LeBron's style of play has something to do with these consistent playoff losses to bad teams.

That doesn't mean he isn't the best player in the league, however.

What really shows up in the postseason is LeBron's almost complete lack of a functional post game. Elite defensive teams are almost always going to be able to pack the paint and turn him into a perimeter jump-shooter- and he simply isn't consistent enough to beat those elite teams that way.

All you have to do is look at his shooting percentages against the elite defensive teams he's faced:

2007 Finals vs. San Antonio: 35.5%

2008 ECSF vs. Boston: 35.5%

2010 ECSF vs. Boston: 44.7% (33.9% in the last three games)

In the 17 games played in these three series, LeBron has shot at or over 50% twice.

That's not nearly good enough.

I'll say it again: LeBron James will never win a title as a primary option until he gets serious about playing with his back to the basket.

 

[MoFlo]

He had help. This isn't a all or nothing dichotomy. There are "shades of help" in between. You don't win 60+ games for two consecutive seasons with no help. I would agree however that James teams are (on paper) not as good as the current Lakers and Celtics teams. However, they are still very good teams.

I'm just throwing this out there, but maybe...just maybe the Cavs failures against good playoff teams begin with James? I don't think it is any coincidence that the two guys in this league which dominate the ball more than any other, James and Nash, have consistently came up short in the playoffs over the last 5 (2 for James) years despite have very good teams.

And LeBron is more responsible for his teams success than Nash is.

IMHO, I think the one proposition that many LeBron fans may seem unwilling to accept/hear is simply that LeBron's style of play has something to do with these consistent playoff losses to bad teams.

That doesn't mean he isn't the best player in the league, however.

Again.

The 60+ wins happened in the regular season.

Those same guys that helped us get 60+ wins in the regular season didn't put up nearly the same #'s in the postseason, especially % wise.

If the other guys aren't putting up the #'s they do in the regular season, when they helped us get 60+ wins, we'll obviously win less...

 

[thegreatest]

Kobe needs to shut his stupid mouth. I don't agree with what LeBron is doing, but Kobe is not the person to talk about this. Kobe didn't care about the finals when he was demanding a trade a few seasons ago did he? This is LeBron being Kobe.

What did Kobe say wrong? We get the quote that Kobe is trying to tell the reporter in a nice way. Seems like the reporter asked Kobe a question, then tried to bring it up again.

 

[PIP]

Bottom line is this... The Cavaliers have a bunch of pussies on the team..

As do the Lakers.. Sure, Pau is a pussy as is Lamar, Farmar, Sasha, Bynum etc... But they have skilled pussies on that team that get it done whereas the Cavs have just a bunch of pussies that don't really get it done...

Simple as that...

 

[DougHeil]

Bottom line is this... The Cavaliers have a bunch of pussies on the team..

As do the Lakers.. Sure, Pau is a pussy as is Lamar, Farmar, Sasha, Bynum etc... But they have skilled pussies on that team that get it done whereas the Cavs have just a bunch of pussies that don't really get it done...

Simple as that...

I disagree.

 

[futuristxen]

What really shows up in the postseason is LeBron's almost complete lack of a functional post game. Elite defensive teams are almost always going to be able to pack the paint and turn him into a perimeter jump-shooter- and he simply isn't consistent enough to beat those elite teams that way.

All you have to do is look at his shooting percentages against the elite defensive teams he's faced:

2007 Finals vs. San Antonio: 35.5%

2008 ECSF vs. Boston: 35.5%

2010 ECSF vs. Boston: 44.7% (33.9% in the last three games)

In the 17 games played in these three series, LeBron has shot at or over 50% twice.

That's not nearly good enough.

I'll say it again: LeBron James will never win a title as a primary option until he gets serious about playing with his back to the basket.

That's misleading. The Bulls packed the paint too, but Lebron's elbow wasn't injured so he shot an incredible percentage. Even with the Boston series factored in Lebron shot 40 percent from 3 and 50 percent from the field overall.

His J is good enough to win games at this point, but only if he's shooting with a healthy elbow, which he clearly wasn't. He wasn't even trying to shoot jumpers against Boston because of it.

As for his post game, that's just bad coaching. We've seen when he gets the ball in the paint he does well. But the Cavs don't really run him through the post. The Cavs also are terrible at throwing entry passes. Look at where Shaq was getting the ball this season and compare it to where someone like Dwight Howard or Perkins gets the ball. Mo Williiams is the worst culprit. The guy just lofts in post passes that the big man has to come out of position to get before the defender can, and they thus lose their deep post position if they had established any to begin with.

Lebron's probably our best post passer, but he can't pass it to himself sadly.

You people know this. You watch the games.

 

[futuristxen]

Oh and the reason we're a great regular season team but not playoff team is because we have really great depth and can last over a full season. Whenever we got injuries we didn't lose much because there's not much of a difference between our 10th man and our 3rd man. Heck we lost Mo, Delonte, and Shaq all at diffrent times and played just as well without them as with them.

But in the playoffs it's not good enough to just have good depth. You need superstars to make plays. And we've only got one of them confined within a predictable offensive system which allows other teams to defend us pretty well. When you couple it with defensive lapses that we got away with the whole year, but that were magnified in the playoffs---well that's the result you get.

We are built a lot like the Dallas Mavericks, and have got a lot of the same disparities between regular season and playoffs.

Danny Ferry just didn't know how to construct a playoff team to save his life.

Hopefully now that he's gone we'll build better for the real goal which is championships.

 

[*THE ORIGINAL*]

All these bullshit comparisons between Kobe's Lakers and LeBron's Cavs comes down to one simple fact. The the Laker organization gave Kobe another allstar, multiple times, while the Cavalier organization hasn't.

So far...

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

But in the playoffs it's not good enough to just have good depth. You need superstars to make plays. And we've only got one of them confined within a predictable offensive system which allows other teams to defend us pretty well.

LeBron confines himself much more than any system does. He often breaks plays to pound the ball at the top of the key. He is as much to blame as anyone for that problem.

 

[jay_em]

He had help. This isn't a all or nothing dichotomy. There are "shades of help" in between. You don't win 60+ games for two consecutive seasons with no help. I would agree however that James teams are (on paper) not as good as the current Lakers and Celtics teams. However, they are still very good teams.

I'm just throwing this out there, but maybe...just maybe the Cavs failures against good playoff teams begin with James? I don't think it is any coincidence that the two guys in this league which dominate the ball more than any other, James and Nash, have consistently came up short in the playoffs over the last 5 (2 for James) years despite have very good teams.

And LeBron is more responsible for his teams success than Nash is.

IMHO, I think the one proposition that many LeBron fans may seem unwilling to accept/hear is simply that LeBron's style of play has something to do with these consistent playoff losses to bad teams.

That doesn't mean he isn't the best player in the league, however.

IMHO you better start a list of all these BAD teams the Cavs have consistently loss to

other than that Phx problem isnt Nash dominating the ball. Its more like Amare is 4 not a 5 and no one plays defense on that team.

the Cavs problem isnt LeBron dominatingn the ball...its that LeBron HAS to dominate the ball, b/c the other guys are ideal 6th man types, washed up All Stars or All Star frauds....still paging Mr. Williams...(even Charles Smith and Nick Anderson are saying i would never choke in the playoffs like that).

 

[futuristxen]

DWade also dominates the ball and he's got a ring. So I don't think it's Lebron's style of play. It's the players and coaches around him. Even Big O won a title.

 

[Imadogg]

DWade also dominates the ball and he's got a ring. So I don't think it's Lebron's style of play. It's the players and coaches around him. Even Big O won a title.

Lol why mention Big O? He won as the 2nd option when he was almost done with his career.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

DWade also dominates the ball and he's got a ring. So I don't think it's Lebron's style of play. It's the players and coaches around him. Even Big O won a title.

Wade's ring has one of the biggest asterisks to it in recent(20 years?!!) history, did you even watch that series?

Regardless, if you're trying to argue that LeBron is in no way responsible for the team lacking a cohesive system, then you just ignored all the documented reports of him breaking plays whenever the fuck he felt like it. The problem here was that nobody really called him out or cared too much when he did it.