I agree... I was saying that there's enough room for him On The Bench. As in, let him sit. If we need to get an overpaid bench-warmer in order to bring Iggy then so be it.
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I agree... I was saying that there's enough room for him On The Bench. As in, let him sit. If we need to get an overpaid bench-warmer in order to bring Iggy then so be it.
It doesn't matter what you call it, but a championship team needs guys who are capable of stepping up their games in the playoffs on BOTH sides of the ball.
It would have been nice if Jamison's knees weren't nearly as shot as KG's and if he could have toasted him on some more drives, but it wouldn't have made a dent when KG was able to easily loft jumpers over Antawn's head.
It would have been nice if Jamison's knees weren't nearly as shot as KG's and if he could have toasted him on some more drives, but it wouldn't have made a dent when KG was able to easily loft jumpers over Antawn's head.
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Pau Gasol averaged a constant 18 points per game on 50 percent from the field shooting. Now Gasol is an inside the paint kinda guy, Antawn is not. Jamison has the ability to step out and shoot from beyond the arc and anywhere else on the court. Gasol is limited to 15 feet and in. So you can see why his percent is so high. Also take into consideration the head coach he had is a future hall of fame coach and knows how to run an offensive system. Comparing that to Mike Brown, or even Eddie Jordan of that matter is laughable.
Garbage minutes? Not too sure about that. He had to share the rock with Caron Butler and Gilbert Arenas for the most of his prime years with Washington, and when Washington took on Cleveland in the playoffs, that year when Washington finished with a 42-40 record, Jamison averaged 19/8 on 45 percent shooting. The next two seasons when Washington made the playoffs each season, he averaged near career highs with 21 and 22 points per game, along with 43 and 46 percents shooting wise from the field. Not to shabby if you ask me.
He isn't your usual second option kinda guy I suppose, but he's definitively capable of being that guy, without question.
wait you want 2 undersized bigs without much defensive or interior presence that are average efficiency bulk scorers?
naw, stretch power forward is
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With the talk of LeBron's official site, here is a link to the internet archive WayBackMachine of it:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.lebronjames.com
A lot of the stuff doesn't work anymore with the flash objects but you get the idea. I remember going to it some his first year or so. It had a lot of his endorsements for ads including Powerade and that Lightning Lemonade Bubbulicous Gum.
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.lebronjames.com
A lot of the stuff doesn't work anymore with the flash objects but you get the idea. I remember going to it some his first year or so. It had a lot of his endorsements for ads including Powerade and that Lightning Lemonade Bubbulicous Gum.
Now THAT I completely agree with. It can be done with "role players" but they need to step their game up come playoff time. Jamison all but vanished by the end. Mo's game takes a step down, and I don't know what was wrong with Varejao.
Players like Powe and Boobie who have had successful postseasons in the past should have more playing time in the playoffs. And a couple more who step their games up wouldn't hurt.
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Andy was still feeling the effects of a back injury during the Boston series.
Yeah, that "stretch 4" kills me... it's how we got stuck with "the clunker that walks like a man" in the first place.
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Right, right, because Marion was being sent to Dallas. Now its coming back.
Thanks for the refresher.
Did it get injured in the Bulls series? Because he was out of it all playoffs long.
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It all comes down to defense, not second options. The reason Hakeem and Duncan were able to win without much help because they're both once in a generation talents that basically did everything for their team. They completely anchored the defense, commanded double teams and consistently kicked it out to open shooters, were a dominating presence on the boards every night, facilitated their team's inside out game, and was the focal point of not only the offense but also of the defense.
The Pistons on the other hand are tied with the '08 Celtics as the greatest defensive team of our era, and are easily on par with every other truly great defensive team like the Bad Boys, Riley's Knicks, '85-'86 Celts, the Russell Celtics and so many other defensive teams I haven't mentioned. It all comes down to defense, not second options.
In Timmy and Hakeem's cases, they each made as much an impact on the defensive end as Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan put together (ok, well that may be a bit of an exaggeration but you get my point). And the Pistons were a magnificent defensive team that played under the greatest defensive mastermind in basketball history (Larry fuckin Brown baby), so they never needed a superstar first option anyway.
That's why we were able to get to the Finals back in '07. Because we had a consistent defensive identity, and the players we played and the coach we had reflected that. Everyone knew their role, and while we weren't the most talented we got as far as we did because we stuck to our roots. As the years went on we sacrificed our defensive identity for scoring ability, but we still tried to stick to our defensive roots while no longer having the personnel fit for that sort of a mentality.
If we're gonna harp about having a second option, then we better have the type of offense that makes use of a player like that. Otherwise we're better off sticking to our hard nosed defensive roots imo.
The Pistons on the other hand are tied with the '08 Celtics as the greatest defensive team of our era, and are easily on par with every other truly great defensive team like the Bad Boys, Riley's Knicks, '85-'86 Celts, the Russell Celtics and so many other defensive teams I haven't mentioned. It all comes down to defense, not second options.
In Timmy and Hakeem's cases, they each made as much an impact on the defensive end as Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan put together (ok, well that may be a bit of an exaggeration but you get my point). And the Pistons were a magnificent defensive team that played under the greatest defensive mastermind in basketball history (Larry fuckin Brown baby), so they never needed a superstar first option anyway.
That's why we were able to get to the Finals back in '07. Because we had a consistent defensive identity, and the players we played and the coach we had reflected that. Everyone knew their role, and while we weren't the most talented we got as far as we did because we stuck to our roots. As the years went on we sacrificed our defensive identity for scoring ability, but we still tried to stick to our defensive roots while no longer having the personnel fit for that sort of a mentality.
If we're gonna harp about having a second option, then we better have the type of offense that makes use of a player like that. Otherwise we're better off sticking to our hard nosed defensive roots imo.
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No he just didn't update his bio... His last tweet was on May 31st of this year. Check the dates.
Also, I agree. A part III should be made.
I don't care what term you apply to it, but you absolutely have to have reliable scorers in the postseason aside from your #1 player. I would think a Cavs fan would know that as much as anyone after witnessing the vanishing acts of Mo Williams the last two years and Jamison taking his turn. If you don't have at least one other option that can consistently get to the rim and or the foul line, you better have a brigade of dead eye shooters from the perimeter.
The Cavs had nobody that could take their man off the dribble besides Lebron and an aged Shaq with one foot in the basketball grave trying to dig some post moves out of the closet. That just isn't enough to get it done.
Duncan played with Robinson and later Ginobili and Parker. All 3 superior to Mo and Jamison.
The 90s was a different era defensively in terms of what you were allowed to do, so the focus on "defensive stoppers" nowadays doesn't carry nearly the same weight it did back then.
The Cavs had nobody that could take their man off the dribble besides Lebron and an aged Shaq with one foot in the basketball grave trying to dig some post moves out of the closet. That just isn't enough to get it done.
Duncan played with Robinson and later Ginobili and Parker. All 3 superior to Mo and Jamison.
The 90s was a different era defensively in terms of what you were allowed to do, so the focus on "defensive stoppers" nowadays doesn't carry nearly the same weight it did back then.
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