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Are you guys familiar with this guy? He is a big Lebon fan and he has some sick raps dissing Curry,Kd and the Warriors.

Check this out lol.
 
I always knew he was a once in a lifetime talent. You could just see it in high school. He played the game the right way, along with immense physical tools. You could tell how good he was back then. Was it a stretch maybe to think that way back then? Possibly, but it's also come to fruition. The man is that good.
 
LeBron's gotta up his defensive intensity. Cause no matter what these numbers are considered to be dropped on him and should take that personal.
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Or we could just...you know..surround him with elite switchable defenders so he doesn't have to do everything. Feel free to disagree but IT and Love in large minutes likely wont cut it against GS
 
Disagree on a few things. Firstly he's an excellent post playmaker. Just look at the finals series against OKC in 2012. Post ups have been among his preferred scoring tools against elite defenses. I think you're mixing regular season LBJ with Finals LBJ.

His versatility also isn't a drawback although I can see where you're coming from with this comment. The thing you have to consider is that no coach in their right mind is going to give the ball to Kevin Love, Kyrie or broken down Dwyane wade to create when LeBron is on the floor. His workload is the consequence of being the best scorer, playmaker, game manager on every team he's ever been on.

I'll agree that for two-years in Miami Spolestra was able to get him in the post, and he elevated his game doing so. He also got him to play better off the ball as a slasher. But by his 4th year there he reverted back to pounding the ball on the perimeter as a play-maker. I know it's like splitting hairs, but he stops the ball too much in that role. He doesn't like to make the pass that initiates an offense, would rather make the pass that leads to the assist. And against elite defenses, if his teammates aren't making their shots then they become one-dimensional. It's as if they forget how to initiate offense on their own (unless of course they're elite iso players in their own right like Kyrie).

He takes bad players and hides their weaknesses with his brilliance. But he also takes good players and covers their strengths with his dominance. He’s so dominant and brilliant that everything runs through him, which is good if you're a scrub playing on his team - it allows you to chip in here and there and look like a model role player. But it's not so good if you're a good player in your own right and need the ball sometimes, too. Bron is personally responsible for: Mo Williams' All-Star berth, ppl knowing Daniel Gibson's name, and about 99 percent of JJ Hickson's points, but he's also responsible for the death of Larry Hughes, Antawn Jamison, Chris Bosh, and now Kevin Love.
 
Over Lebron's 14 years in the NBA the East has won the Finals six times, the West eight times. That's really not a big enough difference to argue that the East is somehow not meaningful.

I don't like using this logic to argue against the notion that the West is better than the East. Winning the finals series doesn't speak to the strength of the overall conference whatsoever. Sure, the Heat
Or we could just...you know..surround him with elite switchable defenders so he doesn't have to do everything. Feel free to disagree but IT and Love in large minutes likely wont cut it against GS

Teams follow LeBron's intensity, especially on the defensive end. Having teammates capable of switching and playing good defense doesn't mean that LeBron no longer has to.

Love has improved mightily as a defender. The narrative that he's a liability on that end was disproven last year. He's not worth being concerned about going into this season unless he has a massive regression, IMO.
 
I find this comment pretty surreal, especially the bolded part. Lebron coming to a team seems to almost guarantee a trip to the Finals, so I don't see how one could possibly argue that "it's difficult to build a winning team around him". Are we back to "you're not a winning team unless you get a ring"?

Also, Lebron has some very refined point forward / play making skills on the block and at the elbows, that he has regularly rolled out in the playoffs when needed. He doesn't seem to like to play that way during the RS though.

I do agree that he has at times been too imitative of Michael Jordan in terms of his desire to play on the perimeter.


Yes, every year there are 29 losing teams and one winning team. Bron's been on the winning end of 3 them when he elevated his game on the block.

That's essentially a huge part of the problem. His teammates don't get the repetitions and confidence during the regular season to be successful when he decides to move his game down low (which is rare).
 
I'll agree that for two-years in Miami Spolestra was able to get him in the post, and he elevated his game doing so. He also got him to play better off the ball as a slasher. But by his 4th year there he reverted back to pounding the ball on the perimeter as a play-maker. I know it's like splitting hairs, but he stops the ball too much in that role. He doesn't like to make the pass that initiates an offense, would rather make the pass that leads to the assist. And against elite defenses, if his teammates aren't making their shots then they become one-dimensional. It's as if they forget how to initiate offense on their own (unless of course they're elite iso players in their own right like Kyrie).

He takes bad players and hides their weaknesses with his brilliance. But he also takes good players and covers their strengths with his dominance. He’s so dominant and brilliant that everything runs through him, which is good if you're a scrub playing on his team - it allows you to chip in here and there and look like a model role player. But it's not so good if you're a good player in your own right and need the ball sometimes, too. Bron is personally responsible for: Mo Williams' All-Star berth, ppl knowing Daniel Gibson's name, and about 99 percent of JJ Hickson's points, but he's also responsible for the death of Larry Hughes, Antawn Jamison, Chris Bosh, and now Kevin Love.
I can agree that he may need to marginalise himself if it means the team finding a more sustainable offensive structure when he's off the floor. I think LeBron is the only guy in nba history that could win titles playing this way.

The stationery drive and kick offense doesn't work unless being initiated by a generational talent
 
I don't like using this logic to argue against the notion that the West is better than the East. Winning the finals series doesn't speak to the strength of the overall conference whatsoever. Sure, the Heat


Teams follow LeBron's intensity, especially on the defensive end. Having teammates capable of switching and playing good defense doesn't mean that LeBron no longer has to.

Love has improved mightily as a defender. The narrative that he's a liability on that end was disproven last year. He's not worth being concerned about going into this season unless he has a massive regression, IMO.
He isn't a liability. The real problem is we're facing a generational team that requires us to have 4 to 5 elite guys that can switch. Bigs that can't be trusted to switch onto either of the other team's best players (Curry and KD) will be put in the pick and roll. Trapping those pick and rolls killed us. Fwiw I know that wasn't the only aspect that killed us. We should drop the sentiments and find better pieces that match up or LeBron will find them elsewhere
 
He isn't a liability. The real problem is we're facing a generational team that requires us to have 4 to 5 elite guys that can switch. Bigs that can't be trusted to switch onto either of the other team's best players (Curry and KD) will be put in the pick and roll. Trapping those pick and rolls killed us. Fwiw I know that wasn't the only aspect that killed us. We should drop the sentiments and find better pieces that match up or LeBron will find them elsewhere

Again, Love has been fine in the pick and roll. What magical piece is out there to trade him for that would help the Cavs chances of beating Golden State?

Love's offense is needed against them to space the floor and give the Cavs room to also attack via the pick and roll. His rebounding is crucial because a team like Golden State can't be allowed to get multiple extra possessions.

We agree that the Cavs need to be able to match up with them better, but there's no player available to trade Love for that would increase our odds of beating them.
 
Yes, every year there are 29 losing teams and one winning team. Bron's been on the winning end of 3 them when he elevated his game on the block.

That's essentially a huge part of the problem. His teammates don't get the repetitions and confidence during the regular season to be successful when he decides to move his game down low (which is rare).

If you mean to say "championship team" rather than "winning team" then say so. It is extremely easy to build a winning team around Lebron, in fact you could argue that one of Lebron's central problems has been that it is SO easy to build a winning team around him that front offices get complacent and don't take the steps they need to elevate the talent around him to reach that championship level.

And yes it is hard to win championships. Except for the 2011 series it's kind of hard to see what else Lebron could have done on his own to win those championships given the talent he had around him and the nature of the opposition. If not for Durant going to the Warriors, an unprecedented event in basketball history, Lebron wins 5+ championships in my opinion. Hard to blame flaws in his game for that, unless not actually being Superman is a flaw.
 
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He takes bad players and hides their weaknesses with his brilliance. But he also takes good players and covers their strengths with his dominance. He’s so dominant and brilliant that everything runs through him, which is good if you're a scrub playing on his team - it allows you to chip in here and there and look like a model role player. But it's not so good if you're a good player in your own right and need the ball sometimes, too. Bron is personally responsible for: Mo Williams' All-Star berth, ppl knowing Daniel Gibson's name, and about 99 percent of JJ Hickson's points, but he's also responsible for the death of Larry Hughes, Antawn Jamison, Chris Bosh, and now Kevin Love.

Larry Hughes, Antawn Jamison, Chris Bosh, and Kevin Love -- two of those players are not like the other two!

Seriously, this is an interesting argument, but not sure it quite holds water when you look at it closely. Both KLove and Irving had high usage ratings this past year, showing that Lebron can share the ball. Same for DWade, if anything Lebron deferred to him too much in 2011. Both Bosh and KLove had an issue with post-up players interfering with Lebron's room to operate, and that issue would have been every bit as present if Lebron was playing PF in the interior like you want, in fact maybe more so.
 
In his first few years, he was pretty heavily criticized for a lack of intensity, and especially for a lack of effort on the defensive end. Lots of stories about how he lacked Jordan's "killer instinct."

We don't seem to hear much about that anymore....
 
LeBron's biggest curse was that he was so good so soon, we were never really amongst the worst teams in the league once we got him. Due to that, we never had a good chance to be in contention for high lottery picks during the first two-three years of his career here.

OKC after getting Durant, still finished high in lottery picks and manage to get a Westbrook and Harden to surround Durant with. Us on the other hand, the best we managed to surround LeBron with was Mo Williams and Past His Prime Zo.

I have stopped thinking about what would happen next summer. Because its pointless, really. We can't do much about it. So, I am just going to enjoy the season like I always do because its been a pleasure watching LeBron and being a WITNESS.
 
In his first few years, he was pretty heavily criticized for a lack of intensity, and especially for a lack of effort on the defensive end. Lots of stories about how he lacked Jordan's "killer instinct."

We don't seem to hear much about that anymore....

Ohh, they still talk about that.

You know what the funny thing is?

Jordan wasn't even the best clutch/cockiest motherfucker to have graced the game of Basketball. It was Larry Bird. The sheer arrogance and audacity he had was something even Jordan didn't possess imo.
 
I'll agree that for two-years in Miami Spolestra was able to get him in the post, and he elevated his game doing so. He also got him to play better off the ball as a slasher. But by his 4th year there he reverted back to pounding the ball on the perimeter as a play-maker. I know it's like splitting hairs, but he stops the ball too much in that role. He doesn't like to make the pass that initiates an offense, would rather make the pass that leads to the assist. And against elite defenses, if his teammates aren't making their shots then they become one-dimensional. It's as if they forget how to initiate offense on their own (unless of course they're elite iso players in their own right like Kyrie).

He takes bad players and hides their weaknesses with his brilliance. But he also takes good players and covers their strengths with his dominance. He’s so dominant and brilliant that everything runs through him, which is good if you're a scrub playing on his team - it allows you to chip in here and there and look like a model role player. But it's not so good if you're a good player in your own right and need the ball sometimes, too. Bron is personally responsible for: Mo Williams' All-Star berth, ppl knowing Daniel Gibson's name, and about 99 percent of JJ Hickson's points, but he's also responsible for the death of Larry Hughes, Antawn Jamison, Chris Bosh, and now Kevin Love.

That hasn't got anything to do with LeBron though. More to do with the fact that once you pair two or three great offensive players, the overall individual production of at least one would suffer. There's only one ball. Add that to the fact that you also have another ball dominant player like a Kyrie and Wade, its no surprise the big men are the ones who end up sacrificing their game and honestly, rightly so as well tbh. Because you should never restrict your best player and ultimately the weakest of the superstar ends up taking that hit.

My biggest criticism of LeBron or rather the teams he has played with is, we never really got the chance to see just how much more dominant he could have been if he had an elite playmaker/passer like a Steve Nash or Jason Kidd alongside him and have LeBron be the Roll-Man or make cuts. The best we got to see was the US Olympics game alongside Kidd and when Delly was here for one odd season. That Delly-LeBron PnR with LeBron as the Roll-Man was devastating to stop. Imagine someone like a Chris Paul running them with LeBron? It would be unstoppable! Sigh.
 

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