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Let's Talk about Jesus Christ, Creation, and Whether You Believe or Not

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gourimoko said:
If you don't love God you burn in hell for eternity? That does not sound just to me. This is why I mentioned the fact that Catholics reject this idea that one must be Christian and have faith and love for God to be saved.
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"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." (Colossians 1:16-17)

Amen, all things were made by Him and for Him, Amen. He is the Creator and what He says goes. He is LORD of ALL. Amen. Therefore, as David the Psalmist said, let everything that has breath praise the LORD!!!

satan got evicted and casted to hell because he didnt want to serve his Creator... he had too much pride, instead, satan, or lucifer rather wanted to be worshiped and deceived a 3rd of heavens angels to believe that he was greater than God. What a silly claim!!!!

God came in the flesh and went to the cross for your sins that you may be forgiven and be granted citizenship in heaven.. but the choice is yours.
 
gourimoko said:
It's absurd, and even kind of gross to think God would damn someone for not believing in him.
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Even I, an imperfect being, could not damn someone *****especially someone I love**** to suffer for all enternity for any amount of things they have done in this lifetime.

How are we suppose to explain that an all good and great god could do such a haneous and evil deed?
 
Leviticus 15:16
'Now if a man has a seminal emission, he shall bathe all his body in water and be unclean until evening.'


Words to live by.
 
SpanishCavsfan said:
It totally defeats the purpose of free will. If we only have one specific way to live our life or else we are damned for all time then that's not really a choice, it's an ultimatum.
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Precisely.. also is self-contradictory to the concept of mercy, or understanding.. or empathy...

Catholics refer to it as "Invincible Ignorance." Thomas Aquinas spoke of the concept often ( @Randolphkeys ) and it's existed in Catholicism/Christendom since before Constantine. So, even though all salvation comes from Christ (extra ecclesiam nulla salus), not knowing of him, or not participating in the religion is not cause for damnation.

So while no one can "earn" salvation in Catholicism, it is believed that living a good life is sufficient. That's because even if you don't love God, He loves you regardless... again, in the Catholic tradition.

This .. idea .. that non-Christians were doomed comes from a much more recent iteration of Protestant Christianity
 
how can we say he granted free will, and then turn around and prophesize events in the Bible?

That directly contradicts free will.
 
Triplethreat said:
Even I, an imperfect being, could not damn someone *****especially someone I love**** to suffer for all enternity for any amount of things they have done in this lifetime.

How are we suppose to explain that an all good and great god could do such a haneous and evil deed?
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You can't .. it's contradictory.

Just as the idea that God would allow a woman to be raped as part of God's Plan makes no sense; since it would make Him an accomplice. This is one of the reasons that more structured, non-congregationalist religion can be helpful - to answer these kinds of questions in a sensible and self-consistent manner.
 
Triplethreat said:
how can we say he granted free will, and then turn around and prophesize events in the Bible?

That directly contradicts free will.
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The argument would be that God and the Angel of God also have Free Will, and are also actors on the field, so to speak.
 
gourimoko said:
Precisely.. also is self-contradictory to the concept of mercy, or understanding.. or empathy...

Catholics refer to it as "Invincible Ignorance." Thomas Aquinas spoke of the concept often ( @Randolphkeys ) and it's existed in Catholicism/Christendom since before Constantine. So, even though all salvation comes from Christ (extra ecclesiam nulla salus), not knowing of him, or not participating in the religion is not cause for damnation.

So while no one can "earn" salvation in Catholicism, it is believed that living a good life is sufficient. That's because even if you don't love God, He loves you regardless... again, in the Catholic tradition.

This .. idea .. that non-Christians were doomed comes from a much more recent iteration of Protestant Christianity
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Ah, the founder of Christianity as we know it. He liked his gospels a la carte, and told Arius to shut the fuck up.

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gourimoko said:
Precisely.. also is self-contradictory to the concept of mercy, or understanding.. or empathy...

Catholics refer to it as "Invincible Ignorance." Thomas Aquinas spoke of the concept often ( @Randolphkeys ) and it's existed in Catholicism/Christendom since before Constantine. So, even though all salvation comes from Christ (extra ecclesiam nulla salus), not knowing of him, or not participating in the religion is not cause for damnation.

So while no one can "earn" salvation in Catholicism, it is believed that living a good life is sufficient. That's because even if you don't love God, He loves you regardless... again, in the Catholic tradition.

This .. idea .. that non-Christians were doomed comes from a much more recent iteration of Protestant Christianity
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Its not what catholicism says, its what God says.. and what is a "good life"? We are talking about works now? If we are, we can indulge.
 
gourimoko said:
The argument would be that God and the Angel of God also have Free Will, and are also actors on the field, so to speak.
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The key is that this is prophisized BEFORE the event.

Thus, there is no free will involved. The event will happen no matter what.

So now that free will is no longer part of the equation, there is no point to this entire test, as God already knows the outcome of our judgement before we even make our way to the "gate"
 
Without mentioning a bible verse, or the bible...

Can someone prove to me with physical evidence that, boom, God made everything? Specifically the thread creator.
 
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