Michael Reghi: Cavaliers still covet Gerald Wallace

[BorntobeCLE]

wallace's injury history plus horrible shooting percentage scares me. this guy is larry hughes redux. i'd rather have VC.

 

[Hydroponic3385]

I've been on and off about G. Wallace for a while, and thought he was a serious possibility since the end of last season. At this point in time, the only teams I could see us trading with at all are Charlotte (Wallace), Milwaukee (Redd), OKC (Smith - buyout, Collison), Minnesota (Miller), Sacramento (Miller, Salmons) and a very long shot of Utah (Kirilenko - if Utah is big on retaining Boozer AND Millsap). I don't even think most of these are likely at all, but they are the only possibilities I see. Having said that, I did NOT see a CLE/OKC/CHI trade last season. :chuckles:

I think Wallace would be a great fit for our team, and would be better than the Leon Powe/Lamar Odom/Amir Johnson type guys we'd be facing in the playoffs. He'd easily fit into our defensive schemes, and would very likely improve our defense (as crazy as that sounds since it's been so good thus far). And even though he may not be the best shooter ever, like others have said he can score in the paint and has been leading Charlotte in scoring this year (I know, I know, they have no one else). Plus, he'd be a HUGE upgrade over Wally when we play small ball - Mo, Delonte/Boobie, G. Wallace, Lebron, Andy/Ben sounds great to me.

I think the key is that Charlotte is very unlikely to trade straight up with us, since they'd likely want AV (or more) since they covet a big man so much. I really love that trade idea of Knicks/Bobcats/Cavs that is something like this (adding in whatever filler needed, such as Nazr or Lorenzen or something):

Cavs receive:
G. Wallace

Bobcats receive:
Curry
Cavs 1st or 2nd roudner (if necessary - I'm assuming Charlotte would deserve it more than NYK in this trade)

Knicks receive:
Wally

I'm sure there are other candidates to be the 3rd team besides the Knicks, but that's the first example that came to mind.

 

[Thunder]

He'd be good off the bench. He can't score in bunches like Manu, Barbosa, Terry, etc. but he'd fit in. Why? Well for one thing, Mo has the first 7 minutes of the 2nd q to himself usually, and G-Wall would just take Wally's spot those 7 minutes. Also when LeBron moves to PF G-Wall would come in. Basically G-Wall would get all of Wally's minutes, and more of Ben's because LeBron can play more PF. Also in a big lineup he can be the SG. G-Wall could get a good 30 mpg on this squad.

 

[camakazee]

wallace's injury history plus horrible shooting percentage scares me. this guy is larry hughes redux. i'd rather have VC.

Larry Hughes attempts 15% of his shots from the inside. 85% of his attempts are jumpers. While they both aren't great shooters, Hughes never tries to attack the basket enough to compensate, while Wallace lives at the rim. The comparison isn't even close.

 

[godfather]

Larry Hughes attempts 15% of his shots from the inside. 85% of his attempts are jumpers. While they both aren't great shooters, Hughes never tries to attack the basket enough to compensate, while Wallace lives at the rim. The comparison isn't even close.

Thank you! This comparison gets lost so often. Larry Hughes JACKS up a lot of shots, which is what makes him so difficult. NOT everyone has to be a deadly offensive shooter. It's just Larry wasn't only bad, he took a lot of bad shots. Wallace can score the ball other ways. Wallace can get to the basket better than Larry ever could. Wallace can back smaller defenders up, and score on them.

He'd be the perfect fit, and player off the bench. I think he'd put us ahead of Boston.

 

[Silky Smooth]

For everyone saying GForce would be great off the bench, do you honestly think he is going to be willing to come off the bench?

I dont. I think he is going to expect to start and start right off the bat if he were to be dealt here.

 

[Skeeter]

850 is crap lol, i think they make up their own rumors lmao

 

[glockcoma]

For everyone saying GForce would be great off the bench, do you honestly think he is going to be willing to come off the bench?

I dont. I think he is going to expect to start and start right off the bat if he were to be dealt here.

That's the main thing that makes me apprehensive about this situation. I'd be willing to bet that Delonte would be more then willing to come off of the bench but as someone mentioned earlier this would mean we would have Bron, Big Ben, and G-Force in the lineup at the same time which would translate into poor offense. If he would be willing to come off of the bench, that would make us a much better team IMO.

 

[Lyuokdea]

For everyone saying GForce would be great off the bench, do you honestly think he is going to be willing to come off the bench?

I dont. I think he is going to expect to start and start right off the bat if he were to be dealt here.

The better question might be....is he going to be a problem if he's told that he is coming off the bench?

I tend to think not. I've never heard of any character issues with him. He should be very excited about coming in and playing for a ring, instead of in Charlotte, and most players are pretty flexible in their first year with a new club.

Obviously this is a question only Wallace knows the answer to, although I'd expect Ferry to do his diligence and ask Wallace directly (with Charlotte's consent) before any trade was made.

~Lyuokdea

 

[BorntobeCLE]

Larry Hughes attempts 15% of his shots from the inside. 85% of his attempts are jumpers. While they both aren't great shooters, Hughes never tries to attack the basket enough to compensate, while Wallace lives at the rim. The comparison isn't even close.

From Hollinger:

"As a response to the injuries, Wallace has become noticeably more perimeter-oriented. He went from taking 73.7 percent of his shots in the painted area in 2006-07 to just over half (54.1 percent) last season, while more than doubling his 3-point attempts.

Though wise as a matter of self-preservation, this isn't a high-percentage move on his part because he's a weak outside shooter. Wallace made only 32.1 percent of his 3s, and overall his shooting percentage fell to 44.9 percent. Oddly, he didn't lose any free-throw attempts on the exchange, again sporting one of the best rates in the league, and his career-best 73.1 percent mark from the stripe helped keep his TS% solid."

I think the comparision is close. Wallace is turning into a chucker b/c of his injuries, and has a serious problem staying healthy.

"Wallace is becoming among it's most fragile as well. A serious concussion -- his fourth as a pro -- knocked him out of action for 20 games, and he hasn't played more than 72 games in any of his four seasons in Charlotte"

Sounds like Larry Hughes to me. An injury prone chucker.

 

[Stu_Discus]

G-Dub is the guy I want... he plays defense and is very athletic...
if we could get him and Joe Smith I dont see anyone that could stop us
on the way to the championship
the only thing that worries me about G-Dub is his heath he plays with reckless abandon
I think he already has 2 or 3 concusions and he is a basketball player, not a football player
All that being said I would love to have G-Dub in the Wine & Gold

 

[Radar]

For everyone saying GForce would be great off the bench, do you honestly think he is going to be willing to come off the bench?

I dont. I think he is going to expect to start and start right off the bat if he were to be dealt here.

true but he dont compliment lebron so he cant really start which is why i dont like the idea..we need someone who can shoot and slash and play some solid d when coached under mike brown which is why i rather go for vc

 

[camakazee]

From Hollinger:

"As a response to the injuries, Wallace has become noticeably more perimeter-oriented. He went from taking 73.7 percent of his shots in the painted area in 2006-07 to just over half (54.1 percent) last season, while more than doubling his 3-point attempts.

Though wise as a matter of self-preservation, this isn't a high-percentage move on his part because he's a weak outside shooter. Wallace made only 32.1 percent of his 3s, and overall his shooting percentage fell to 44.9 percent. Oddly, he didn't lose any free-throw attempts on the exchange, again sporting one of the best rates in the league, and his career-best 73.1 percent mark from the stripe helped keep his TS% solid."

I think the comparision is close. Wallace is turning into a chucker b/c of his injuries, and has a serious problem staying healthy.

"Wallace is becoming among it's most fragile as well. A serious concussion -- his fourth as a pro -- knocked him out of action for 20 games, and he hasn't played more than 72 games in any of his four seasons in Charlotte"

Sounds like Larry Hughes to me. An injury prone chucker.

Yet you are disregarding the fact that he is shooting 65% of his shots from the inside this season. I'm sure it was a temporary shift in his injuries the past few seasons. The kid is a very good attacker and is not by the NBA definition a "chucker."

Anyways, on to the idea of him coming off of the bench. This is obviously how he got his start back in Sacramento, but had limited minutes. Also, throughout his time in Charlotte he didn't get a lot of games he didn't start. There's only a few, usually after an injury or at the end of the season.

Last season, however, he was going through a minor slump and got moved to the bench for 3 games. In two games he started, Wallace put up a combined 10 points (5 ppg), on 2-16 shooting (12.5%), including 1-7 from 3 (14.3%). This is what spurred the move to the bench. In those three games, however, while perhaps still suffering from being in a slump he averaged 13.3 ppg on 15-33 shooting (45.5%), including 4-12 from 3 (33.3%) in 29 minutes a game.

While this is a very small sample size, it appears as though Wallace wasn't forcing the issue as much in his games off of the pine. He even appeared to work himself out of a shooting slump, scoring in double figures the next 6 games as a starter (plus he scored in double figures his 3 games off the bench). It's not much to go off of, but it looks like he doesn't have a huge ego and wouldn't mind coming off the bench. It is hard to tell, however, what would happen in the long run in this role.

 

[Lee]

true but he dont compliment lebron so he cant really start which is why i dont like the idea..we need someone who can shoot and slash and play some solid d when coached under mike brown which is why i rather go for vc

I agree. I would rather have VC, butif it is wallace...off the bench makes the most sense. He comes in with a bench unit that includes AV and boobie. Mo or west would always remain with him, so it gives us 2 shooters at all times. He can be the second slasher when Lebron is not in. Plus, he can defend off the bench and has a better shot at power foward imo than Wally does. He wouldnt spread the floor, but he could defend and get to the rim, both things we miss when Lebron is sitting.

As for he wouldnt want to come off the bench? As long as he gets his minutes, i dont think he would care. if he does care, we dont want him. Odom seems to be doing better with his bench role.

All that said, VC fits our needs to a tee, Wallace would be someone we would have to fit into our team.

 

[glockcoma]

Yet you are disregarding the fact that he is shooting 65% of his shits from the inside this season I'm sure it was a temporary shift in his injuries the past few seasons. The kid is a very good attacker and is not by the NBA definition a "chucker."

hahahaha. I know it's immature to find that funny and I don't mean to be a prick but I'm at work and bored so I just found that to be funny.

Anyway, you're right G-Force is extremely effective when he attacks the rim, which is why he would have to take a 6th man role coming off of the bench.