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So why again can't we interview certain people because of Brown's control of the 53 man roster?
 
So you know it was the scheme, but you're still going to complain about the talent?

:rolleyes:

Talk about complaining just to complain
 
Just come here for all your Browns talk, I guarantee it's the best out there and will only get better as we move forward.

Dawgs By Nature has some of the best writers in the business.

Community is great too. When we are winning.
 
Please man, Coons is not a kicker we hold on too. I dont want to watch a competitive Browns game and it comes down to a missed 50 yard FG.

Youre reaching just to back up a few players. I think they all could be replaced. Barnidge i guess could be a player every team would want, but I cannot say that for the rest of them.

This past scheme really got me down on this current talent.

I don't remember Dawson being able to hit those early on in his career.

It's hard to say what our rookies will develop into. We can't grade the draft in year 1.


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So why again can't we interview certain people because of Brown's control of the 53 man roster?

In the NFL Anti-Tampering Policy, it states that each team has a class of "High-Level Club Employees"-- President and GM (or persons with equivalent responsibilities and authority). Since Sashi Brown has roster control, in the eyes of the NFL, he is the GM regardless of what his title might say.

Also according to the NFL Anti-Tampering Policy, NFL organizations are under NO obligation to permit interviews for ANY of their non high-level employees currently under team contract for another non high-level position with another organization. Browns GM position? Not a high-level club position. NFL organizations cannot prevent non high-level employees from interviewing for high-level positions. So, if Sashi didn't have 53-man control, the Browns would have free reign to interview anybody around the NFL (other than current high-level employees).

So basically, the Browns can only interview guys who are either granted permission to interview by their current team, are currently employed outside the NFL or unemployed all together.
 
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Anyone have any comments from MLB types? Media, other Front Office people, etc? I'd be interested in hearing what they have to say about this.

Just a couple with a quick search:

View: https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/684611287502946304


View: https://twitter.com/jorgearangure/status/684582242723717120


Tim Brown from yahoo:

I’m not surprised Paul DePodesta took a job in football. I’m not even surprised football thought Paul DePodesta was a good idea. I am surprised the Cleveland Browns thought Paul DePodesta was a good idea, however, and not because he’s not a good idea — he is — but because the Browns are not in a position to have ideas that smell even a little eccentric or, perhaps, slightly goofy, no matter their desperation.

In that way, just in terms of perception, this is the inter-sport equivalent of the Miami Marlinsreassigning their general manager to field manager, which maybe isn’t such a horrendous idea in some markets with some general managers, but would be in Miami because of all that came before that decision and how all things in Miami will be viewed as long as “J. LORIA” is painted on the parking space nearest the front door. Some ideas are doomed to failure based solely on whether they’ll be good for a laugh some day. In that, the Browns might have considered how “HIRED A BASEBALL GUY” would look mixed into a timeline of the other stuff that maybe hasn’t worked. You know, like, “DRAFT DAY.” Or, “SUNDAY.”

All that said, I love the hire. I love DePodesta’s decision to give it a shot. I think he’ll be good at it and the Browns will be better for it. They won’t be worse for it.

First, anyone who thinks DePodesta couldn’t be nuttier for taking a job with the Browns wasn’t around when he took a job with the McCourts. So, that.

Then, this isn’t so much about the football team taking a flier on the baseball man, but a successful baseball man taking a flier on this particular football team, and if DePodesta’s cool with it then it probably will be. And he is very likely qualified for whatever the Browns have in mind, assuming, you know, he doesn’t end up as quarterbacks coach, for whatever a “chief strategy officer” is supposed to do.

He is curious. He is intelligent. He always thought outside the box. Now he’s the one standing outside of it. Bracing against an icy wind. Down by a couple touchdowns to the Steelers. Out of timeouts. He laughs more than maybe you think he does. Part of his job with the San Diego Padresfor a time bled into broader organizational matters, beyond the playing field, that is, and I recall him gushing over the fresh challenge. Challenges don’t get any fresher than the one just out ahead of him.

“Cleveland and football have always held a special place in my heart,” DePodesta said in Tuesday’s statement. “It was 20 years ago this month, after pursuing my first love of football and looking at every possible job in the NFL, that I got the biggest break I could imagine – a job offer from the American League champion Cleveland Indians. As excited as I was then, I am even more excited now to return to Cleveland and try to help the Browns.”

He will report directly to Browns ownership. He’ll have a role in player development, analytics, player personnel decisions and picking the new head coach, and this is where you, especially if you are a Browns fan, think, “Oh hell, why not?” The Cleveland Plain Dealer captured the news for its readers with the following headline: “Remember Jonah Hill’s character in the movie ‘Moneyball’? He’s the Browns’ new chief strategy officer.” Except, of course, DePodesta was so uncomfortable with how he was depicted in the movie that he requested his name be removed from the character. Still, funny headline.

Sandy Alderson and the New York Mets will carry on without him, of course, as will the game. And DePodesta will head off in a new direction, back in Cleveland, where he started as an intern, back in football, which he played at Harvard, and back to the sort of challenge he loves so. Forty-three, which DePodesta turned last month, is as good an age as any to wonder what else is out there. Welp, the Browns are out there, and they just hired a baseball guy. Good for them.
 
So does this make Joe Thomas and Alex Mack want to stay now???
 
Military history is replete with examples of how intelligent staffs, coupled with "blood and guts" type generals, are near invincible (see Gneisenau/Blucher or Moltke et all in 1870). @The Human Q-Tip If it works in war it can work in football. If Haslam can find a couple genuine brass-balled football guys at HC and GM that can thrive in the new "everyone gets along" organizational structure, and turn information into game-winning players and plays, it will be a stroke of genius.

Or it will be by far the worst of our many humiliations (even more so than the starting QB lying about being Las Vegas whilst mustachioed and be-wigged).
 
So does this make Joe Thomas and Alex Mack want to stay now???

I was talking with someone in the local media yesterday about the move towards a metric driven system. One thing that struck me as interesting (and a bit worrisome) is that metrics tell you to rid yourselves of veteran/old players. I have a hard time thinking the fans won't hunt these guys down (Sashi & DePo) if they make it a habit to part ways with established veterans on the team.

For example, if the Browns do end up trading Joe Thomas before they do anything good on the field, I don't see it ending well. Even if they explain their rationale, I don't think Browns fans will have the knowledge/patience to try to understand.
 
I was talking with someone in the local media yesterday about the move towards a metric driven system. One thing that struck me as interesting (and a bit worrisome) is that metrics tell you to rid yourselves of veteran/old players. I have a hard time thinking the fans won't hunt these guys down (Sashi & DePo) if they make it a habit to part ways with established veterans on the team.

For example, if the Browns do end up trading Joe Thomas before they do anything good on the field, I don't see it ending well. Even if they explain their rationale, I don't think Browns fans will have the knowledge/patience to try to understand.

Can't wait til they trade Joe Thomas and take Tunsil #2.

@bushwick_bill
 
Can't wait til they trade Joe Thomas and take Tunsil #2.

@bushwick_bill

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