POLL: David West vs. Antawn Jamison vs. Troy Murphy

[GoGetta]

Oh god. Don't make me do it. Fuck it.

I see your Jamison and David West and laugh in your faces.

Is that JJ in the back? it looks like it and thats classic JJ defense.

 

[macbdog]

I'll be shocked if Ferry can get the Wiz to send him Jamison; he is obviously the best guy available. I think West is a biproduct of playing with Chris Paul, and his drop in his #s is a concern. Murphy, to me, is the more complimentary player and I think he would come far cheaper. His FG% is superior to both Jamison and West, and he even shoots 3s at a respectable clip. Terfific on the boards. I think he is also the better longterm solution. He should also come cheaper than the other two. Add it up and he just might be the best bang for the buck.

 

[Paddington]

I'll be shocked if Ferry can get the Wiz to send him Jamison.

I disagree.

Jamison's age and albatross contract make him difficult to move.
Many teams are clearing the decks for the 2010 free agent sweepstakes.
Plus the salary cap is dropping.
League attendance and revs on average are down.

Wiz are going into reboot mode.
Although they desire picks and young talent to rebuild, they also need cap space.
Since they have a very low probability of voiding Arenas's mammoth contract, they almost have to move Jamison to get some kind of relief.

Realistically, the only teams willing to take on Jamison (considering his age and contract) would be:
1) a team with a need at the PF position
2) an owner willing to spend $$$$ who thinks Jamison can put his team over the top for the title.

And there's really only one team I can think of that fits the bill...and that's the Cavs.
Boston?...no (already got The Sheed)
Portland?...no.
LA?....no.
Orlando?...no (Rashard Lewis & Brandon Bass = solid PF rotation).
Hawks? Doubtful.
Dallas? Doubtful.

For Washington, trading a guy like Jamison (especially to Cleveland) carriers risks of public backlash, but this is mitigated by the fact that alot of Wiz fans respect Jamison and realize he'll never win a title with the Wizards.
For Cleveland, the risks are that Rip Van Jamison could get injured and that he still has 3 years left on his deal.

Anything can happen, but I think there's a very high probability of the Cavs and Wiz making a deal.
The main sticking point (as was rumored in the SJAX trade hoopla) will probably be the insistence of a buyout and return of Z.
I think the Cavs have more leverage than the Wiz in this situation, but at the end of the day it will be a win-win deal for both teams.

 

[kovanovich]

At PF? I don't think there is anyone else really. We don't need any 4, we need a stretch 4 which is pretty restricting. Basically the only stretch 4s that are possibly available have already been connected with the Cavs. I guess one exception to that would be AK47...but that's about it.

They are supposedly looking at SG options, but Rip & Tay are the only players that have been mentioned there (I think). So if the "big trade" they make is for a SG, it'll probably be a name you wouldn't expect (at least not right now).

Of course trading for a SG wouldn't solve our problems but I guess that's a discussion for another thread/time.

At SG, Rip and Tay (who is really a SF) seem just to be speculation on Windy's part at this point. Well, he's not actually reported the Cavs have inquired into them, but he has said they have explored SG options, and the only SG to be specifically linked to Cleveland is K-Mart (aside from S-Jax early in the season).

Cavs have been reported by national media to have inquired into Kevin Martin. I think that's a long shot at best, even though K-Mart could probably be had.

Iggy has NOT been linked to the Cavs, though I have seen some reports that Philly might be willing to package him with Dalembert. (By the way, this makes absolutely no sense to me. Dalembert is actually having a good year, and he has just one year left on his contract. Iggy is their best player. Maybe they don't fit Eddie Jordan's Princeton offense, but that's Stefanski's fault for hiring a coach with a philosophy that doesn't fit the team's roster.) Consensus seems to be that Brand is untradeable.

Among PFs, the only names that I am confident the Cavs are interested in are Jamison, Murphy, and Anthony Randolph. We can now strike off Randolph's name since he is hurt, and I never understood why he was included anyway. It's been reported the Cavs have inquired into David West, but it seems New Orleans is going to keep him. Also, Bob Finnan has reported the Cavs asked Indy about Jeff Foster, for what that's worth. Elton Brand has never been rumored or reported.

I should add the Cavs would also clearly be very interested in Bosh and Boozer if they are made available. However, the Cavs clearly wouldn't be able to put together the best package for Bosh. With Boozer, I have no reason to think the Cavs' assets would be of any interest to Utah.

Those are the only names I am aware of at this point...sorry to get this thread further off track.

 

[Photon]

On our own, we can't get any young star players, but in multi team trade we can.

 

[sam_slam911]

I don't think there have been any official reports about us having interest in Iguodala, there have been for Martin. But I'd be willing to bet that if there's a chance the Sixers are making Andre available, the Cavs will do everything they can to get him.

Both Martin and Iguodala are decent fits in different ways, but both with their disadvantages. I think Andre's only disadvantage would be his shooting. While he's a better shooter than some guys we've been interested in in the past like Maggette and Monta Ellis, he ain't exactly Boobie from 3. And that affects his overall scoring. Martin is a much better shooter, but his defense can be awful (something Iguodala excels at).

It's doubtful either are traded at all, but if the rumors of Philly being ready to unload Andre with a bad contract like Brand's for expiring contracts, I'd hope we'd jump at that.

 

[di0p]

A league source said the Cavs have made a run at Hornets power forward David West. The Cavs are dangling center Zydrunas Ilgauskas out there for the Hornets, who want to avoid paying the luxury tax at all cost. The Hornets could buy out Ilgauskas' contract and waive him. Then he could return to the Cavs in 30 days.

The Morning Journal
http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/2010/01/17/sports/doc4b529c10e9854236111606.txt

I would imagine we are pushing for all 3 (Jamison, Murphy, West) and this is just the first one to really leak, but the Hornets are really hurting in the tax department and if they start losing again it may be a fire sale, except CP3 obviously.

West signed a 5 Year/$45 Million extension in 2006, so we would have him for another couple years which may hinder us a bit.

 

[Hydroponic3385]

I would imagine we are pushing for all 3 (Jamison, Murphy, West) and this is just the first one to really leak, but the Hornets are really hurting in the tax department and if they start losing again it may be a fire sale, except CP3 obviously.

West signed a 5 Year/$45 Million extension in 2006, so we would have him for another couple years which may hinder us a bit.

The Hornets are now only a couple million over the tax threshold. I remember reading in a couple different articles that they didn't have much more to go, thanks to that Hilton Armstrong trade. Plus it's been stated that they're not just gonna have a firesale to get below the tax.

And having West another couple years wouldn't hinder us at all. He's only 29.

 

[di0p]

The Hornets are now only a couple million over the tax threshold. I remember reading in a couple different articles that they didn't have much more to go, thanks to that Hilton Armstrong trade. Plus it's been stated that they're not just gonna have a firesale to get below the tax.

And having West another couple years wouldn't hinder us at all. He's only 29.

Oh I defiantly agree Age wise, I was thinking more along the lines of contracts and Free Agency. He makes over $8 million next year and a PO for $7.5 I think.

 

[Triumph36]

At SG, Rip and Tay (who is really a SF) seem just to be speculation on Windy's part at this point. Well, he's not actually reported the Cavs have inquired into them, but he has said they have explored SG options, and the only SG to be specifically linked to Cleveland is K-Mart (aside from S-Jax early in the season).

Cavs have been reported by national media to have inquired into Kevin Martin. I think that's a long shot at best, even though K-Mart could probably be had.

Oops, forgot about Martin. And yeah you're right, he said they would probably call the Pistons because Rip & Tay are rumored to be available but no contact was officially reported.

On our own, we can't get any young star players, but in multi team trade we can.

Yeah I agree with this. But unfortunately a single team trade is probably more likely.

edit: and like a few others, I believe there's almost no way we get West unless we give up young talent and pick(s), but Ferry might want to stick to Z and Z alone. Even if we offered young talent and picks, we'd probably be outbid anyways.

 

[Ziggie123]

I think it's fair to assume that Danny Boy has probably inquired about every player that fits his needs including ones that have not been officially linked to the Cavs such as Iggy. Moreover, every GM in the league has Ferry's number and knows what he has to offer and I'm sure Ferry has gotten a number of unsolicited inquiries probably as a thrid team in some deal. Ferry isn't the only GM looking to make a deal.

 

[kovanovich]

The Hornets are now only a couple million over the tax threshold. I remember reading in a couple different articles that they didn't have much more to go, thanks to that Hilton Armstrong trade. Plus it's been stated that they're not just gonna have a firesale to get below the tax.

And having West another couple years wouldn't hinder us at all. He's only 29.

Apparently their cap figure is now at $70.5m while the luxury tax line is just a shade under $70m, so they just need to pare one more player to get out of the tax and qualify for the $4.5m or so from the league that all non-luxury teams get:

http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2010/01/hornets_close_to_getting_under.html

The point I have made is that their cap figure for NEXT year is going to be about the same as this year, and with the salary cap and luxury tax line falling, they will have to make more salary parings before the Feb 2011 trade deadline. The cuts they have made so far have been relatively painless (Rasual Butler, Hilton Armstrong, and whoever else they manage to jettison), but if they have to cut $5m or more of additional salary, the process becomes more difficult. All of the bad contracts are still on the team, and if they don't unload one or more of them for an expiring before the deadline this year, their options for doing a salary dump become more restricted. That's why at the beginning of the season I thought they might consider sacrificing David West, especially if they could also dump one of their bad contracts like James Posey in the process. But that doesn't seem to be their plan. Either that or no other team wants to take on one of their bad contracts.

The other thing is that, even though their play has improved, I still don't think they are a playoff team. Hollinger has their current playoff odds at 27%.

 

[abraxas]

I'm not sold on David West. I think if we have a chance for Jamison, we gotta do it.

 

[Lee]

It comes down to cost. What does it cost us to get the various players. If washington wants an arm and a leg for Jamison, but Murphy can be had for only Z's expiring, you go with Murphy, if its the other way around, you go with Jamison. We are not in a position to just give away assets.

One thing you have to keep in mind is as much as Gilbert wants a championship, he wants to keep Lebron ten times more. Loosing Lebron severely hurts the value of his franchise and the revenue it brings in. Lebron will leave if the cubboard is bare because we used all of our assets on a 34 year old undersized pf, even if that pf helps win us a championship. SO basically, its more important what it costs us than actually who it is.

 

[Powerslave]

David West drops 40 points on the Lakers (+11 rebounds)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5HPZOTnJdw