Poll: Will Shane Bieber be traded before Opening Day 2024?

[FFRva]

This is a recurring sentiment, and it has become an annual mantra.

Every year this franchise is waiting for next year. It hasn't made a significant win now move since trading for Brad Hand, and before that signing Encarnacion.

This in spite of having significant assets in the farm system to do so. We made several significant trades in order to add significant assets to our farm systems. Almost all those assets have turned to dust.

At the beginning of 2021, we had 17 MIFs 25 yrs old or younger who were either in Cleveland or listed as legit prospects. Five of them are gone with no return of any mention, and we still don't have a legit shortstop.

We've also had a boatload of RF prospects, mostly LHed, and the only thing we have to show for it is Brennan.

We go into this season with five legit regulars.

Jose
Kwan
Gimenez
J Naylor
Bo...whose still unproven, but I'm counting him.

We have no clue what we have at the other three, outside of possible platoons of guys who are little more than a wing and a prayer.

Our SS ranked 27th last year.
Our RF ranked 29th.
Our CF and DH ranked last.

We've made no significant move to fix any of them.

We ranked 29th in wRC+ vs lefties.

We've made NO move, significant or otherwise, to improve that.

The FO just hopes that some kid will come along and solve the problem. Of course, we have so many kids trying out for all these positions that either...

1) Nobody gets the time to get a legit shot.

2) One kid gets a legit shot, while several others are lost due to roster needs.

Under the present SOP, the Guardians will never attain a win now situation. By the time a 26 man roster of productive youngsters are in place, the FO will be looking to trade away the most experienced.

I know he is a prospect but don’t you think trading Civale for Manzardo is addressing DH? I guarantee Civale was sought after at the deadline, especially watching the deals on pitching in this FA market. They traded him straight up for an upper minor league 1B/DH that was arguably a top 50 prospect. Definitely one kid that will be given a fair shake once he’s up.

That said with the DDLS rule 5 pick up and Manzardo not needing to be on the 40, I could see him not break camp but have no doubt we will see him at some point this coming season. Personally was hoping for him to break camp get ROY and get us that draft pick

 

[CATS44]

I know he is a prospect but don’t you think trading Civale for Manzardo is addressing DH? I guarantee Civale was sought after at the deadline, especially watching the deals on pitching in this FA market. They traded him straight up for an upper minor league 1B/DH that was arguably a top 50 prospect. Definitely one kid that will be given a fair shake once he’s up.

That said with the DDLS rule 5 pick up and Manzardo not needing to be on the 40, I could see him not break camp but have no doubt we will see him at some point this coming season. Personally was hoping for him to break camp get ROY and get us that draft pick

What do you truly feel the odds that DDLS ends up on our roster are?

Plus, do you truly feel Manzardo addresses our need to hit LH pitching?

I'm high on Manzardo, because IMO he is a legit prospect, unlike many of our recent fan favorite prospects.

The knock is that he doesn't have much raw power, but over 675 at bats since the beginning of 2022 he has 94 XBH. Thats one every 7.2 at bats.

For reference, Jose had 65 in 611 at bats last year, and 78 in 601 in 2022. Thats one in every 8.5 at bats.

Manzardo does a ton of damage without striking out, while also holding high walk rates.

But he has never faced MLB pitching, and the FOs answer to every problem with the roster is to address it with more rookies.

Our roster is so young that its like a carousel....half the players are going up while the other half are going down...and all the time going in circles.

Meanwhile, Detroit and KC are not waiting around for their farm systems to supply every need. They are adding to their young core with legit MLB players.

More than anything else, excepting good health, we NEED a legit RH MLB bat that can do damage against lefties.

 

[sportscoach]

What do you truly feel the odds that DDLS ends up on our roster are?

Plus, do you truly feel Manzardo addresses our need to hit LH pitching?

I'm high on Manzardo, because IMO he is a legit prospect, unlike many of our recent fan favorite prospects.

The knock is that he doesn't have much raw power, but over 675 at bats since the beginning of 2022 he has 94 XBH. Thats one every 7.2 at bats.

For reference, Jose had 65 in 611 at bats last year, and 78 in 601 in 2022. Thats one in every 8.5 at bats.

Manzardo does a ton of damage without striking out, while also holding high walk rates.

But he has never faced MLB pitching, and the FOs answer to every problem with the roster is to address it with more rookies.

Our roster is so young that its like a carousel....half the players are going up while the other half are going down...and all the time going in circles.

Meanwhile, Detroit and KC are not waiting around for their farm systems to supply every need. They are adding to their young core with legit MLB players.

More than anything else, excepting good health, we NEED a legit RH MLB bat that can do damage against lefties.

We need a legit RH MLB bat, but if there was one within reason we would have already gotten said player...

 

[petes999]

Our roster is so young that its like a carousel....half the players are going up while the other half are going down...and all the time going in circles.

Meanwhile, Detroit and KC are not waiting around for their farm systems to supply every need. They are adding to their young core with legit MLB players.

More than anything else, excepting good health, we NEED a legit RH MLB bat that can do damage against lefties.

We need more of an internal carousel. Reason Det and KC are hitting FA is their draft/development sucks. Ours doesn’t. We actually needed to suffer through some more of Jones/Benson to see their potential before we need to DFA guys like Palacios for nothing vs one more try which netted Kittridge (nothing special but something).

At the end of day, if we have 4 solid lefty OF guys, we can flip one for RHH (bit like Jones would have gotten this offseason than single A Brito, last year before breakout). Issue is we didn’t work through our carousel enough. We need to be patient to work through rookie struggles to reap rewards. Guys forget lefty hitters are usually more valuable as they hit 60-80% of pitchers better. That’s why we try to develop them first and then focus on RHB when we are legit contender that we are not. Yet…

 

[CDAV45]

What do you truly feel the odds that DDLS ends up on our roster are?

Plus, do you truly feel Manzardo addresses our need to hit LH pitching?

I'm high on Manzardo, because IMO he is a legit prospect, unlike many of our recent fan favorite prospects.

The knock is that he doesn't have much raw power, but over 675 at bats since the beginning of 2022 he has 94 XBH. Thats one every 7.2 at bats.

For reference, Jose had 65 in 611 at bats last year, and 78 in 601 in 2022. Thats one in every 8.5 at bats.

Manzardo does a ton of damage without striking out, while also holding high walk rates.

But he has never faced MLB pitching, and the FOs answer to every problem with the roster is to address it with more rookies.

Our roster is so young that its like a carousel....half the players are going up while the other half are going down...and all the time going in circles.

Meanwhile, Detroit and KC are not waiting around for their farm systems to supply every need. They are adding to their young core with legit MLB players.

More than anything else, excepting good health, we NEED a legit RH MLB bat that can do damage against lefties.

The issue with this current team far exceeds the inability to hit LHP. There was no power last year until Bo and even Arias arrived. Hopefully the experience they gained last season carries over to this one. Manzardo addresses this issue because we had diddly for a DH last season after signing what most of us thought was a legit middle of the order hitter. DeLauter is inching closer and so is Brito. Expect to see both in 24. Rodriguez has put together impressive offensive campaigns the last 2 seasons. Florial has power if he can get to it. Yes, they are throwing as much against the wall as possible.

I wouldn't worry about DDLS as I expect a minor trade to be made so they can send him to Columbus.

The problem you're having CATS is that you're growing impatient(understandably) and this FO is pretty much sticking to its plan. Remember when I told you the window opens in 2025? What contributed to this problem we're having now is not trading Bieber prior to the 23 season when it was clear that he wasn't going to sign an extension with us. Like it or not it set this team back. Bieber not only didn't pitch much, he was not a effective as usual and lost an incredible amount of value.

Which RH bats would you have them get now? If you can think of one do you know what they want in return? I only ask because I'm not at all against the idea.

Don't lose hope CATS. I think they are very close to having the type of team that excites us all.

 

[Gson]

shane bieber can't hit left handers either.. whether he's here or traded..

 

[PocketMonger]

This is a recurring sentiment, and it has become an annual mantra.

Every year this franchise is waiting for next year. It hasn't made a significant win now move since trading for Brad Hand, and before that signing Encarnacion.

This in spite of having significant assets in the farm system to do so. We made several significant trades in order to add significant assets to our farm systems. Almost all those assets have turned to dust.

At the beginning of 2021, we had 17 MIFs 25 yrs old or younger who were either in Cleveland or listed as legit prospects. Five of them are gone with no return of any mention, and we still don't have a legit shortstop.

We've also had a boatload of RF prospects, mostly LHed, and the only thing we have to show for it is Brennan.

We go into this season with five legit regulars.

Jose
Kwan
Gimenez
J Naylor
Bo...whose still unproven, but I'm counting him.

We have no clue what we have at the other three, outside of possible platoons of guys who are little more than a wing and a prayer.

Our SS ranked 27th last year.
Our RF ranked 29th.
Our CF and DH ranked last.

We've made no significant move to fix any of them.

We ranked 29th in wRC+ vs lefties.

We've made NO move, significant or otherwise, to improve that.

The FO just hopes that some kid will come along and solve the problem. Of course, we have so many kids trying out for all these positions that either...

1) Nobody gets the time to get a legit shot.

2) One kid gets a legit shot, while several others are lost due to roster needs.

Under the present SOP, the Guardians will never attain a win now situation. By the time a 26 man roster of productive youngsters are in place, the FO will be looking to trade away the most experienced.

I am not futurist by any means but Shane is as good as gone after this season and the offense is still a year away. As always though it depends on what the return would be. They wont trade him away just for the sake of making a deal. It has to be make sense. It's probably 50/50 that he gets dealt as of today. If Shane makes it to spring training the odds drop to 20% because they play in a weak division and wont trade him if they are contending.

 

[FFRva]

What do you truly feel the odds that DDLS ends up on our roster are?

Plus, do you truly feel Manzardo addresses our need to hit LH pitching?

I'm high on Manzardo, because IMO he is a legit prospect, unlike many of our recent fan favorite prospects.

The knock is that he doesn't have much raw power, but over 675 at bats since the beginning of 2022 he has 94 XBH. Thats one every 7.2 at bats.

For reference, Jose had 65 in 611 at bats last year, and 78 in 601 in 2022. Thats one in every 8.5 at bats.

Manzardo does a ton of damage without striking out, while also holding high walk rates.

But he has never faced MLB pitching, and the FOs answer to every problem with the roster is to address it with more rookies.

Our roster is so young that its like a carousel....half the players are going up while the other half are going down...and all the time going in circles.

Meanwhile, Detroit and KC are not waiting around for their farm systems to supply every need. They are adding to their young core with legit MLB players.

More than anything else, excepting good health, we NEED a legit RH MLB bat that can do damage against lefties.

I’m just saying they went out and got their DH at the deadline, your 1B/DH combo is Naylor/Manzardo.

Only reason it might not happen out the gate is if they want to roll some dice on the DDLS to start the season.

Not arguing with any of your other points just saying they obviously are high and hitched a wagon to Manzardo. You don’t make that trade if you aren’t.

 

[Gson]

I am not futurist by any means but Shane is as good as gone after this season and the offense is still a year away. As always though it depends on what the return would be. They wont trade him away just for the sake of making a deal. It has to be make sense. It's probably 50/50 that he gets dealt as of today. If Shane makes it to spring training the odds drop to 20% because they play in a weak division and wont trade him if they are contending.

Agree with most of this... If and when the decision is made to keep Bieber for the Guardians 2024 season it will be because he is healthy and gives the Guardians the best chance to win the AL Central division... The bandied about injury risk / devaluation (and subsequent 0.2 MPH rise in Bieber's FB velo is clearly a couple ticks below his 2021/2 velo coupled with a reduction in K/9) makes retaining him worth more than trading him away.. The reason other clubs would want him.. is that he's a limited liability compared to other pitchers with one year remaining under team control and knows HOW to pitch.. We'll see how things unfold.. but the valuation for projected WAR (2.9 to 3.1) less salary has Bieber at nearly $ 20MM (after his salary). Being offered nothing close to that means he stays..

 

[CalBuckeyeRob]

Agree with most of this... If and when the decision is made to keep Bieber for the Guardians 2024 season it will be because he is healthy and gives the Guardians the best chance to win the AL Central division... The bandied about injury risk / devaluation (and subsequent 0.2 MPH rise in Bieber's FB velo is clearly a couple ticks below his 2021/2 velo coupled with a reduction in K/9) makes retaining him worth more than trading him away.. The reason other clubs would want him.. is that he's a limited liability compared to other pitchers with one year remaining under team control and knows HOW to pitch.. We'll see how things unfold.. but the valuation for projected WAR (2.9 to 3.1) less salary has Bieber at nearly $ 20MM (after his salary). Being offered nothing close to that means he stays..

When you are a low budget team, it is hard to let tradeable assets that are close to free agency get to free agency. I agree that they won't give him away. But I suspect their asking price is a lot less than many on here believe it should be. Which is why I don't think he will be on the roster when the season starts.

 

[Criznit]

We need a legit RH MLB bat, but if there was one within reason we would have already gotten said player...

Adam Duvall says hi.

 

[Criznit]

Yankees Interested In Jesus Luzardo, Shane Bieber

Earlier reports suggested that the Yankees were talking with the Marlins about their starting pitching, and USA Today's Bob Nightengale …

www.mlbtraderumors.com

And Bieber.

 

[PocketMonger]

When you are a low budget team, it is hard to let tradeable assets that are close to free agency get to free agency. I agree that they won't give him away. But I suspect their asking price is a lot less than many on here believe it should be. Which is why I don't think he will be on the roster when the season starts.

And that’s why I think he won’t get dealt. The return won’t be worth it. Might as well keep him and make a run for now and if the season goes south they’ll sell him for whatever they can get mid season.

 

[Gson]

And that’s why I think he won’t get dealt. The return won’t be worth it. Might as well keep him and make a run for now and if the season goes south they’ll sell him for whatever they can get mid season.

Disagree with the "whatever you can get" part of this equation... The fans pay to see players they know, trust and root for.. Bieber is one of those guys.. Even at the trading deadline.. unless the CleFO can get the price they've attached to the Biebs.. he stays.. offer the QO....get the pick.. it's worth more than the pittance a "whatever you can get" return will be most times..

 

[Criznit]

Sean Manaea who performed poorly enough to be removed from the Giants rotation before adding a sweeper to his arsenal and finishing fairly strong just got a 2 year 28 (14/14) million dollar contract with an opt out after the 1st year with the Mets.

Bieber alone nets some goodness. However I expect we want Straw to pack his bags as well, thus diminishing the return a bit.

We'll see, but odds are he is as good as gone IMO and we'd love to ship out as much dead weight at the same time.

Seems inevitable to me Bieber and Straw will be leaving together... However they won't force Straw into a deal that completely kills it or the overall return