Potential 2019 Head coaches for the Browns

[The Wizard of Moz]

I mean, I guess, but the only other real, legitimate option seems to be Arians. I’d love him. But Campbell just signed an extension, DeFilipo looks awful, Harbough may keep his job, etc.

It’s easy to say there is another option. But I see two - maybe three or four - other possible candidates, and one is McCarthy.

So this kind of goes with a post I made earlier in this thread. We don’t get to interview these guys and if we’re being honest we don’t know much about non surface level facts of these guys

I refuse to believe there are no good candidates out there. I do, however, believe that we as fans with the limited information at our disposal have no way of identifying who they might be

 

[Jordan]

So this kind of goes with a post I made earlier in this thread. We don’t get to interview these guys and if we’re being honest we don’t know much about non surface level facts of these guys

I refuse to believe there are no good candidates out there. I do, however, believe that we as fans with the limited information at our disposal have no way of identifying who they might be

Sure, and again, anything but winning out pretty much rightfully guarantees we go for one of those guys.

But it’s also disingenuous to say you know a coach is bad while saying that anyone who supports him is not considering they don’t know everything. I agree, Gregg has a lot to prove, all I’m saying is that he has earned just as much of a legitimate interview as every other unproven name out there.

I’d rather have a guy like Arians or good Harbaugh. Frankly, outside of McCarthy and Michigan Harbaugh, I’d be good with whoever the Browns go for. Quite the time to have a coach search. Outside of the Packers, we’re clearly the best job, and we may even be more appealing than Green Bay depending on the candidate.

 

[natedagg]

Michigan harbaugh would be an absolute travesty. Just good enough potential to “be patient with him” and waste Baker’s cheap years.
Baltimore Harbaugh would be good. I could sell myself on that.
Arians is a G. Look at how much he did with a fairly shitty team. Plus he WANTS this and nothing else.
Riley is a gamble you have to take, period.
Flip would be next. Their offense sucks because of the o-line. A little worry here tho.
McCarthy is the anti-momentum. Horrible choice and won’t be the hire.

Guys, we are right there, on the cusp. We are a .600 team without Hue. We don’t need a guy to take a small step. I could coach the team to a small step forward next year. We need one leap to be a legit playoff team, not a wild card team.

And all of those saying no Greggggggg even if we win out?!? Scorching awful take. If we win out, we could be a playoff team. You can’t fuck w that. It’s too flippant(?).

 

[DirtyDan]

Gregg Williams is ass and his defense gives up the 3rd most yards and 9th most points to opposing teams.

That defense is breaking and considering the talent on that end, it's embarrassing.

Winning out, playoffs, whatever. Gregg isn't doing his job and it would be a mistake to let him ride the coattails of Baker Mayfield. We've all seen this before with Ty Lue/Mike Brown and Lebron. Please, for the love of god, don't give bad coaches the benefit of doubt.

 

[MirORich]

Gregg Williams is ass and his defense gives up the 3rd most yards and 9th most points to opposing teams.

That defense is breaking and considering the talent on that end, it's embarrassing.

Winning out, playoffs, whatever. Gregg isn't doing his job and it would be a mistake to let him ride the coattails of Baker Mayfield. We've all seen this before with Ty Lue/Mike Brown and Lebron. Please, for the love of god, don't give bad coaches the benefit of doubt.

Are you forgetting things specific to this game like 10 of the Panthers points being due to extremely short field as the result of careless Browns fumbles?

Are you forgetting things specific to the season like injuries to Kirksey, Shobert, Gaines, and Mitchell? The Mychal Kendricks situation.

Do you give 100% of the credit for the Browns being top2 in the league in takeaways to the players only?

Are you forgetting the Browns D holding teams like PIT and NO well below their season average or even in the game against KC, basically giving up KCs avg points per game?

None of this means Gregg is the right man for head coach job long term or not, but if your takeaway after 13 games is that Williams defense and coaching sucks, well then that is just a really poor quality take.

 

[CBBI]

None of this means Gregg is the right man for head coach job long term or not, but if your takeaway after 13 games is that Williams defense and coaching sucks, well then that is just a really poor quality take.

Ehhh.

Pretty much any evaluation of Greggggg really boils down to whether or not you think takeaways are more luck/random or more skill based due to coaching.

If you think they’re more luck/random, then he hasn’t done a very good job at all.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

So this kind of goes with a post I made earlier in this thread. We don’t get to interview these guys and if we’re being honest we don’t know much about non surface level facts of these guys

I refuse to believe there are no good candidates out there. I do, however, believe that we as fans with the limited information at our disposal have no way of identifying who they might be

This is a great point, but I think it goes both ways. Fans with limited information may not be aware of some really good candidates out there. Conversely, fans with limited information may have their favorite/preferred candidates who actually are not good candidates.

The interviews with Dorsey are going to be of huge importance, and we don't get to sit in on those. An NFL coordinator or college coach who may look like a great candidate to us may reveal to Dorsey some things that convince him that candidate is not ready to be an NFL head coach. And maybe the same applies to a retread with head coaching experience -- Dorsey just decides for whatever reason that he's unlikely to be more successful here than elsewhere.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Ehhh.

Pretty much any evaluation of Greggggg really boils down to whether or not you think takeaways are more luck/random or more skill based due to coaching.

If you think they’re more luck/random, then he hasn’t done a very good job at all.

Maybe that's true in terms of evaluating Gregg as a coordinator. But if you're evaluating him as a head coach, there's a lot more to consider.

 

[Jordan]

Maybe that's true in terms of evaluating Gregg as a coordinator. But if you're evaluating him as a head coach, there's a lot more to consider.

He’s also done a great job developing young players. I mean, potentially guys like Garrett, Ward, Avery, Ogba, Ogunjobi, Peppers, Mitchell, and Avery were already this good. I.e., maybe this would’ve happened with anyone.

I believe that about Myles Garrett. Otherwise, no, I think Gregg deserves a lot of credit. Hell, Carrie said postgame yesterday how the team is playing every game to make sure the staff keeps their jobs.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

He’s also done a great job developing young players. I mean, potentially guys like Garrett, Ward, Avery, Ogba, Ogunjobi, Peppers, Mitchell, and Avery were already this good. I.e., maybe this would’ve happened with anyone.

I believe that about Myles Garrett. Otherwise, no, I think Gregg deserves a lot of credit. Hell, Carrie said postgame yesterday how the team is playing every game to make sure the staff keeps their jobs.

Some people have a bias against Gregg because of the relative clownish image he cultivated as a coordinator. "Gregg didn't act like a head coach, and you don't want a guy like that to be the face of your team." But he's clearly changed his demeanor, interactions with the press, etc., since being elevated to the top job. I wouldn't have predicted that, but it's sort of a reality staring us in the face.

I just think he falls into that common category of "there's stuff behind the scenes that we don't know about", so dismissing him as a legitimate choice to be head coach isn't warranted. There just aren't the obvious, on-field failings that there were with Hue.

 

[The Voice]

Ok fuck What he's done at Michigan. Just leave that aside. Does anyone remember how he was pushed out in SF because he was an unlikeable douche that players Hated? How the fuck is that not enough to move on from this convo?

And idk what was going on the other day when someone said he didn't have talent in SF. Those teams were LOADED with talent

The only evidence I’ve seen of this is a guy that hardly played. What other nfl players have said this?

What was their record before harbaugh?

 

[The Voice]

Gregg is going to get a real interview. And frankly, if the team wins out, he actually has a shot at keeping job. I’d absolutely rather have him than McCarthy.

This is like saying I’d rather have herpes then HIV. You still have a horrible STD, just not as bad.

 

[dark2332]

Some people have a bias against Gregg because of the relative clownish image he cultivated as a coordinator. "Gregg didn't act like a head coach, and you don't want a guy like that to be the face of your team." But he's clearly changed his demeanor, interactions with the press, etc., since being elevated to the top job. I wouldn't have predicted that, but it's sort of a reality staring us in the face.

I just think he falls into that common category of "there's stuff behind the scenes that we don't know about", so dismissing him as a legitimate choice to be head coach isn't warranted. There just aren't the obvious, on-field failings that there were with Hue.

People rarely change. It's a matter of time for Gregg before he's being clownish again. We talk about his "swagger" and how it fits the team. Nah, that "smartest man in the entire universe" vibe he gives off wears on people. It's not sustainable.

And yes, I'm dismissing him as a legitimate choice to be head coach. He's done a good job as interim and ignited the troops. But you don't hitch your wagon to him.

Giving Gregg Williams a big contract following these few games--regardless of outcome--would be the Brownsiest of Browns decisions. This is the biggest coaching hire for us in the past 25 years. You cannot do that to your franchise.

You shoot your shot at a variety of offensive-minded candidates.

Personally, I actually think Lincoln Riley to Cleveland has been a silent guarantee for a few weeks now. My rationale is reading at how Baker Mayfield had gone from not commenting on Riley and stating "he's doing his thing, I'm doing mine" a month and a half ago when Hue was fired to now gushing over him as the best coach he's ever had in his life.

He's also gone on to talk more and more about him:

"Lincoln's been ready," Mayfield said Wednesday as the Browns prepared for Sunday's game against the Carolina Panthers. "Just who he is, how he coaches, the respect level he's had from all of his players. How detailed he is. He's ready. But that's his decision."

"Obviously you guys can take it how you want," Mayfield said. "I have a relationship with Lincoln. It's been great. We had success. But whatever decision is made here I'm going to make the most of it. Obviously there's been a level of comfortability with him in the past that I've had. But whatever happens, happens."

Despite what they claim, I think both Dorsey and Mayfield have been recruiting Riley, and with the Dallas job no longer a potential opening, I think you're looking at our next head coach.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

The only evidence I’ve seen of this is a guy that hardly played. What other nfl players have said this?

What was their record before harbaugh?

@Randolphkeys can help here

Also Singletary would’ve had the same damn success there if he didn’t get fired right after the dark years there where they accumulated all that talent

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

People rarely change. It's a matter of time for Gregg before he's being clownish again.

The last time Gregg was a head coach was most than 15 years ago. You don't think a guy can grow/mature between the ages of 45 and 60? In terms of his demeanor as a coordinator, that's a different role. And lots of people in leadership positions may deliberately adjust their style depending upon the role in which they are serving. I haven't seen any sign -- at all -- of clownishness since he took over as head coach.

Now, maybe it's there behind the scenes and we can't see it, so I'm not saying that Williams is or should be the choice. I'm simply pointing to our lack of knowledge regarding his behavior, and how we're not really in a position to know for sure either way.

We talk about his "swagger" and how it fits the team. Nah, that "smartest man in the entire universe" vibe he gives off wears on people. It's not sustainable.

Dude...we're not there in the locker room. How do you know what vibe he's giving off as head coach? I'll admit that I don't either, but that's why I'm not saying he should/should not be hired. I'm simply saying we don't know enough to exclude him.

I think both Dorsey and Mayfield have been recruiting, and with the Dallas job no longer a potential opening, I think you're looking at our next head coach.

Riley may be the choice, but he comes with the standard risk that he may be a guy whose ability to be a head coach -- not just an offensive coordinator -in the NFL isn't there yet. He's only 35, and leading college players is different from leading veteran pros. He wouldn't be the first college coach whose abilities didn't translate well to an NFL head coaching position.