Racial Tension in the U.S.

[David.]

I'm not sure how you'd define "classism", but there are some truisms we really can't escape:

Good-looking people tend to do better in life than ugly people, and good looking people are more likely to marry each other. Smart people tend to do better in life than dumb people, and smart people are more likely to marry each other.

And, poor people (especially if they're dumb) are more likely to commit crimes than rich people. One thing criminology studies shows is that criminals, in the aggregate, have below-average I.Q.'s.

Essentially, life fosters inequality because people do not have identical characteristics and abilities, and we're going to tend to have a disproportionate number of dumb, ugly people in prison even if the administration of the system was 100% bias free because those people are statistically more likely to commit crimes in the first place. So if you're going to say that the justice systems fosters "classism"...well, that's why I think you need to better explain what you mean by that.

Also, while I support criminal defendants getting government-provided attorneys, and I support funding the system enough so that those attorneys are not overloaded (which is the case in some places), the truth is that attorneys vary widely in quality, and the better ones are going to charge more. So, rich people are going to tend to get better attorneys.

I don't really see a way to fix that without violating someone's rights.

Intelligence is associated with criminal justice processing: Arrest through incarceration

https://www.researchgate.net/public...stice_processing_Arrest_through_incarceration

Abstract
Findings flowing from empirical research consistently indicate that IQ is associated with criminal involvement, with persons of relatively lower IQ being more likely to engage in various types of crime when compared with persons of relatively higher IQ. As with all research, however, there are a number of limitations with the existing literature that may bias the IQ–crime connection in unknown ways. Specifically, previous research has generally analyzed sub-samples drawn from non-nationally representative samples, has relied on a narrow range of criminal justice measures, has not fully examined whether the IQ–crime link is observed across demographic subgroups, and has not always ruled out the effects of potential confounds. The current study is designed to overcome the most serious of these limitations and offer new evidence of the link between IQ and criminal involvement. Analysis of data drawn from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Add Health) provides strong evidence indicating that IQ and crime are linked even after addressing various shortcomings of previous research. Limitations of the study are discussed and directions for future research are offered.

Intelligence is associated with criminal justice processing: Arrest through incarceration ☆ (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public...stice_processing_Arrest_through_incarceration [accessed Apr 29, 2017].

i know you were just making a point, but i challenge you on smart people marrying smart people. i dont have empirical data in hand to back up my assertion, but this is a point ingeminated by an academic I follow. Men do primarily pursue based on phyiscal attraction (I do have a chart for that) and women primarily pursue mates over and up in (dominance) heirachies (primarily finanicial status..it may be that it's the most easily quantified). This, however, is more correlated to THE ABILITY TO climb a dominance heirarchy than it is the standing position of that male (ability to accumulate wealth rather than wealth accumulated. this is most related to intelligence AND EXTRAVERSION).

so hot women marry smart, extraverted men/men with money. But being attractive helps. And if you just have money and are dumb, youre not going to fool the woman. Stand next to a guy that has less money but more upward mobility and you'll lose.

 

[David.]

exas A&M University President says professor’s “white people may need to die to achieve equality” comments are part of free speech, won’t be fired

https://medium.com/@_Amora_/texas-a...-need-to-die-to-achieve-equality-2ce413cf139e

 

[Jack Brickman]

Baltimore asks FBI for help: 'Murder is out of control'

(CNN)The number of homicides in Baltimore this year is soaring -- reaching 100 before the end of April for the first time in nearly two decades -- and the mayor is asking the FBI for more help.

"Murder is out of control," said Mayor Catherine Pugh, at her weekly news briefing Wednesday. "There are too many guns on the streets. We're looking for all the help we can get."

The mayor met recently with the special agent in charge of the FBI's Baltimore office and asked for additional agents to help local police battle violent crime in the city, according to the mayor's spokesman, Anthony McCarthy. He said that could either mean bringing in more FBI agents from other field offices across the country or reassigning agents already in Baltimore to work with local police investigating violent crime.....

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/26/politics/baltimore-crime-fbi-help/index.html

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Yes, yes...we've all seen The Wire.

 

[Sebastian]

Yes, yes...we've all seen The Wire.

But does Season Two count for their narrative? Because that has white people committing murders.

 

[David.]

But does Season Two count for their narrative? Because that has white people committing murders.

Is race mentioned in the article?

 

[Jack Brickman]

But does Season Two count for their narrative? Because that has white people committing murders.

I'm not sure. Season two was my favorite, though. RIP Frank Sabotka.

 

[Sebastian]

Is race mentioned in the article?

Does it have to be? Look at the thread title.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Does it have to be? Look at the thread title.

If white people killed 100 people by the end of April they'd just call it gentrification and applaud all the new apartments and restaurants in the area.

 

[David.]

Does it have to be? Look at the thread title.

I guess im wondering what your idea of the narrative is and how its inaccurate. Because violent crime is 5to1 black.

 

[David.]

Itt: a professor justifying killing white people and the actual disparity in violent crime committed between races ignored in lieu of thought experiments where white people hypothetically kill black people.

That narrative?



Actually, that sounds about right.

 

[Tornicade]

there is plenty of research and evidence that shows that intelligence isn't predisposed to any sort of skin color. it is tied to educationand environment.

Yes blacks are raised in poor environments and the areas they live in have far less resources dedicated to education than others.

The research on intelligence only shows not only are blacks not getting their fair shake in the court system but their situation that is a direct result of over 100 years of poor policy stacks the odds against them from the moment they are born.

 

[Cavatt]

Itt: a professor justifying killing white people and the actual disparity in violent crime committed between races ignored in lieu of thought experiments where white people hypothetically kill black people.

That narrative?



Actually, that sounds about right.

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[Wrathe]

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An interesting takeaway from that:

“Blacks and Hispanics are much more likely to be arrested when the police stop them than Whites or Asians. This differential may well result from racism,” said Miller. “But once you are stopped or arrested, the likelihood that you will be killed or seriously injured during that police interaction does not depend on your race.”

It's an interesting distinction.

Other interesting data there as well, just that one stood out to me as counter to my understanding.

 

[David.]

An interesting takeaway from that:

“Blacks and Hispanics are much more likely to be arrested when the police stop them than Whites or Asians. This differential may well result from racism,” said Miller. “But once you are stopped or arrested, the likelihood that you will be killed or seriously injured during that police interaction does not depend on your race.”

It's an interesting distinction.

Other interesting data there as well, just that one stood out to me as counter to my understanding.

When adjusted for violent crime, youre more likely to be killed if you're white.

Ill get to the rest later

 

[Cavatt]

An interesting takeaway from that:

“Blacks and Hispanics are much more likely to be arrested when the police stop them than Whites or Asians. This differential may well result from racism,” said Miller. “But once you are stopped or arrested, the likelihood that you will be killed or seriously injured during that police interaction does not depend on your race.”

It's an interesting distinction.

Other interesting data there as well, just that one stood out to me as counter to my understanding.

Maybe no one would really get so upset if we talked about police using excessive force in general and escalation of bad situations into tragic ones.

I think maybe this conclusion is correct that the police just killed too many people?