Racial Tension in the U.S.

[Wrathe]

I'm not sure I understand why you're calling this "mob" rule. We as a society reject racism, do we not? So, this is an example of that...

I'm really having a hard time understanding your argument either from a pragmatic standpoint or a philosophical one. I see no harm done in this man losing his job....

Again, I have to ask, what am I missing?

Brett Weinstein was the teacher who showed up to school on a day White people were supposed to stay home "Day of Presence / Day of Absence" stuff. The video that was spread was the mob of students standing outside his office, I presume, and tearing into him demanding justice.

Another example would be Facebook pages of merchants getting blasted for selling anything to do w/ Trump or Ivanka lines of apparel. It's all the same text, it's social activism to copy/paste and try and denial of service their community forums.

Imagine a case where anyone says their opinion that's unpopular w/ what I would sardonically call, "the agenda". The desire for people to try and socially shame and then try and shame their employers into taking action against someone. I dunno, I guess it's not for me to condemn or justify. Maybe it's rational to some to do that. I couldn't and sleep well, period. Especially, however, in some of these cases I've read in the past, they seemed petty.

More mob rule justice is players getting crucified in the media before details have come to light. Josh Brown, as an example, did shitty stuff, but I thought got screwed. Mixon I thought got screwed because of the video release, dude got ripped a 2nd time over it because of the "mob".

I dunno, I prefer battles in courts w/ laws, where time is taken to gather facts, context provided, over some TMZ ADD burnout catching a Twitter feed, getting their activist juices flowing and costing some folks their careers.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I don't know the answer to this question but....

If this guy was a Japanese-American, then I see nothing wrong with canning his ass for being a racist. And plus for the historical ignorance of what happened to the Nisei.

But if he's not actually a citizen of the U.S., but rather a Japanese citizen, I think it is bad taste, but not necessarily racism deserving of getting canned. You could say the same thing if the winner was a German citizen, and it wouldn't be racist. Just a bit extreme in terms of carrying a grudge.

 

[The Oi]

I don't know the answer to this question but....

If this guy was a Japanese-American, then I see nothing wrong with canning his ass for being a racist. And plus for the historical ignorance of what happened to the Nisei.

But if he's not actually a citizen of the U.S., but rather a Japanese citizen, I think it is bad taste, but not necessarily racism deserving of getting canned. You could say the same thing if the winner was a German citizen, and it wouldn't be racist. Just a bit extreme in terms of carrying a grudge.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Really -- is the guy a Jap, or a Jap?

Inquiring minds want to know!

 

[gourimoko]

Brett Weinstein was the teacher who showed up to school on a day White people were supposed to stay home "Day of Presence / Day of Absence" stuff. The video that was spread was the mob of students standing outside his office, I presume, and tearing into him demanding justice.

Another example would be Facebook pages of merchants getting blasted for selling anything to do w/ Trump or Ivanka lines of apparel. It's all the same text, it's social activism to copy/paste and try and denial of service their community forums.

Imagine a case where anyone says their opinion that's unpopular w/ what I would sardonically call, "the agenda". The desire for people to try and socially shame and then try and shame their employers into taking action against someone. I dunno, I guess it's not for me to condemn or justify. Maybe it's rational to some to do that. I couldn't and sleep well, period. Especially, however, in some of these cases I've read in the past, they seemed petty.

More mob rule justice is players getting crucified in the media before details have come to light. Josh Brown, as an example, did shitty stuff, but I thought got screwed. Mixon I thought got screwed because of the video release, dude got ripped a 2nd time over it because of the "mob".

I dunno, I prefer battles in courts w/ laws, where time is taken to gather facts, context provided, over some TMZ ADD burnout catching a Twitter feed, getting their activist juices flowing and costing some folks their careers.

I don't know of any of the examples you've described...

I will say that I don't really understand the problem in this context, the context of what this specific person said. I can't really speak for Brett Weinstein because I have no idea what happened in that scenario.

As far as Facebook merchants "getting blasted;" I see nothing wrong with that. It's Facebook. If you sell shit that someone finds offensive they're going to let you and their friends know about it. That's how the platform works.

I don't think this is "mob rule" or "mob justice." Those terms have a very different meaning than it seems you're using here. What we're talking about is consumers making choices in private industry... calling that "mob rule," IMHO, is a bit ridiculous.

Again, getting back to this particular individual; what he said seemed to warrant termination, people called for it, and I believe he's lost his job, no? You're saying that shouldn't have happened?

 

[gourimoko]

Sure. So his father fought against the Japanese in WWII. So you know there's going to be strong opinions in his upbringing there. It's hard to battle an enemy and NOT have that sentiment in the end.

But he didn't battle the enemy, his father did...

I think the irony just struck him that on a day we remember those lost in the line of duty, his mind goes to his father's service. WWI. Pearl Harbor. The emotions that stirs. And on that day, much of America was cheering for a Japanese driver.

He's got problems if he looks at the world that way... seriously.

I can understand how he got there, and maybe sympathize isn't the right word, perhaps empathize? I oft use those interchangeably mistakenly so. I'm not saying it's OK. I'm not justifying it, I just understand how he can get there.

Fair enough.

I think it's something he needs to let go and move on. WWII is over. With that said, and as you well know, some people just have trouble with being told to "let it go, and move on". Unfortunately, we all gotta do it if we're gonna move forward, IMO.

However, that's what I meant by that, hope it clears up where I'm coming from, even if you don't agree w/ me.

I don't disagree with you, I understand what you're saying. But, that doesn't in anyway mean that he shouldn't have been dismissed for his comments. Nor do I necessarily buy his argument, but, I get what you're saying.

 

[gourimoko]

Really -- is the guy a Jap, or a Jap?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Can we not use racial epithets in this thread? Like.. c'mon.. smfh...

 

[Jack Brickman]

But he didn't battle the enemy, his father did...

More than that, he wasn't even alive until about a decade after the war ended. For the entire span of his life, the US and Japan have been allies.

 

[Wrathe]

I don't know of any of the examples you've described...

I will say that I don't really understand the problem in this context, the context of what this specific person said. I can't really speak for Brett Weinstein because I have no idea what happened in that scenario.

As far as Facebook merchants "getting blasted;" I see nothing wrong with that. It's Facebook. If you sell shit that someone finds offensive they're going to let you and their friends know about it. That's how the platform works.

I don't think this is "mob rule" or "mob justice." Those terms have a very different meaning than it seems you're using here. What we're talking about is consumers making choices in private industry... calling that "mob rule," IMHO, is a bit ridiculous.

Again, getting back to this particular individual; what he said seemed to warrant termination, people called for it, and I believe he's lost his job, no? You're saying that shouldn't have happened?

I said above I'd rather have seen it be used as a talking point. I mean, I guess if you really want anyone who harbors resentment over historical events to get fired, then no, I think it's perfect.

Let it go. Move on. That's the lesson everyone learned, right? Everyone?

 

[Jack Brickman]

I said above I'd rather have seen it be used as a talking point. I mean, I guess if you really want anyone who harbors resentment over historical events to get fired, then no, I think it's perfect.

Let it go. Move on. That's the lesson everyone learned, right? Everyone?

I get harboring resentment over historical events, but it loses some of its impact when you weren't even alive for the events in question.

 

[Wrathe]

But he didn't battle the enemy, his father did...

As a black guy, I assume you have pretty passionate feelings on slavery in America, yet, you weren't ever a slave to my understanding. Resonate?

Many folks cling to the past, hell, WWII wasn't THAT long ago.
I try and offer understanding to their feelings, but ya, you gotta move on mis amigos!

That said, calling for anyone's job is pretty cutthroat. To each their own.

 

[The Oi]

I don't know of any of the examples you've described...

I will say that I don't really understand the problem in this context, the context of what this specific person said. I can't really speak for Brett Weinstein because I have no idea what happened in that scenario.

As far as Facebook merchants "getting blasted;" I see nothing wrong with that. It's Facebook. If you sell shit that someone finds offensive they're going to let you and their friends know about it. That's how the platform works.

I don't think this is "mob rule" or "mob justice." Those terms have a very different meaning than it seems you're using here. What we're talking about is consumers making choices in private industry... calling that "mob rule," IMHO, is a bit ridiculous.

In some cases, there are misunderstandings or times where people over-react to things without having all of the facts in front of them and destroy businesses reputations just because. And it often has to do with the fact that they just disagree with their opinion or position on something or another.

I see where @David. is coming from here, though I also disagree with him to an extent as well.

Here is a good example. We talked about how cultural appropriation is a non-issue the other day. Well, these girls in Portland had to shut their burrito shop down after being accused of cultural appropriation because they "picked the brains of every tortilla lady in Mexico" while they were on a road trip in Mexico as they tried to master their own tortilla recipe as well.

http://nypost.com/2017/05/24/burrito-shop-closes-after-being-accused-of-cultural-appropriation/

So long story short...a couple of journalists set out to shut them down, a group of posters snowballed into a larger group of posters and a mob of people basically forced them to shut their business down in the span of a week. All because of "cultural appropriation," which...I thought was supposed to be a good thing? (American is a melting pot, no?)

Then the journalists bragged about it. The mob was happy. And the girls were left without a business.

So this isn't an example of somebody refusing to serve gay people or not being comfortable with Japanese people winning a race. This was a couple of girls that were trying to run a tortilla business that got shut down because of bullshit cultural appropriation.

 

[Wrathe]

In some cases, there are misunderstandings or times where people over-react to things without having all of the facts in front of them and destroy businesses reputations just because. And it often has to do with the fact that they just disagree with their opinion or position on something or another.

I see where @David. is coming from here, though I also disagree with him to an extent as well.

Here is a good example. We talked about how cultural appropriation is a non-issue the other day. Well, these girls in Portland had to shut their burrito shop down after being accused of cultural appropriation because they "picked the brains of every tortilla lady in Mexico" while they were on a road trip in Mexico as they tried to master their own tortilla recipe as well.

http://nypost.com/2017/05/24/burrito-shop-closes-after-being-accused-of-cultural-appropriation/

So long story short...a couple of journalists set out to shut them down, a group of posters snowballed into a larger group of posters and a mob of people basically forced them to shut their business down in the span of a week. All because of "cultural appropriation," which...I thought was supposed to be a good thing? (American is a melting pot, no?)

Then the journalists bragged about it. The mob was happy. And the girls were left without a business.

So this isn't an example of somebody refusing to serve gay people or not being comfortable with Japanese people winning a race. This was a couple of girls that were trying to run a tortilla business that got shut down because of bullshit cultural appropriation.

And I dunno how they don't walk away from that feeling race wasn't used as a weapon against them. This is how you make people angry, and it's utterly stupid. This is why shit creeps on through generations. This shit helps breed a culture of hate.

 

[David.]

And I dunno how they don't walk away from that feeling race wasn't used as a weapon against them. This is how you make people angry, and it's utterly stupid. This is why shit creeps on through generations. This shit helps breed a culture of hate.

And contrary to popular belief, creating a shared culture is statistically more beneficial than focusing on how different everyone is.. Multiculturalism is great when it's about cousine, but if we're restraining people from sharing and making sure everyone knows superfluous limits about burritos by way of shutting down their small businesses, you're inspiring antipathy and segregation. As @Cavatt stated, you share a culture first, you celebrate differences later (and in a positive way).

 

[The Oi]

And I dunno how they don't walk away from that feeling race wasn't used as a weapon against them. This is how you make people angry, and it's utterly stupid. This is why shit creeps on through generations. This shit helps breed a culture of hate.

Right.

There is this weird over-reaction in the media against white people. I don't sense this from ANY other race when I actually talk to them in person, but there is a big anti-white narrative going on and it's very frustrating.

Maybe it's just the power of being behind a keyboard or whatever, but there is just a lot of animosity towards white people right now being driven by the media.

Maybe there's a lot of really fucking dumb white people out there who don't get it. Or maybe it really pays for the media to continue driving a wedge between races.