Racial Tension in the U.S.

[TyGuy]

Just to add to this, there's also more to admissions than test scores; which, the point of that article misses -- and this has been adjudicated numerous times, including most recently by the Supreme Court.

Asians are massively represented on college campuses, specifically because Affirmative Action stopped anti-Asian discrimination.

So while one might say they "might" not need Affirmative Action any longer, since stereotypes about Asians have changed from being devious and treacherous to being studious and academic and thus, our societal biases have changed.

All this being said, it's important to note that (1) Asians have historically benefited (more so than anyone else) and continue to benefit from Affirmative Action (Laotians, Cambodians, Filipinos, Vietnamese all benefit more so than Japanese, Chinese or Koreans); (2) that Affirmative Action doesn't help Asians in the workplace (there is undeniable discrimination against foreign-born, foreign-named Asians); (3) that Asians don't support Affirmative Action (almost between 60-70% of Asians support the program).

Is it fair that Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans get discriminated against? And what makes them so special?

 

[gourimoko]

Yeah, and you tried to pass it off like they don't currently face discrimination in getting into choice schools.

I never said Asians don't face discrimination, they do... I'm making some distinctions here that you're not addressing.. I'm also aware that all Asians don't face the same degrees of discrimination or even the same types of discrimination.

Nobody has yet answered why Asians aren't oppressed today, but other minority groups are.

Actually Ty, I have a few times already.. Please read:

'Model Minority' Myth Again Used As A Racial Wedge Between Asians And Blacks

http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...d-as-a-racial-wedge-between-asians-and-blacks

That will answer your question for the most part I think.

 

[TyGuy]

I never said Asians don't face discrimination, they do... I'm making some distinctions here that you're not addressing.. I'm also aware that all Asians don't face the same degrees of discrimination or even the same types of discrimination.



Actually Ty, I have a few times already.. Please read:

'Model Minority' Myth Again Used As A Racial Wedge Between Asians And Blacks

http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...d-as-a-racial-wedge-between-asians-and-blacks

That will answer your question for the most part I think.

So if it's a myth they must also be oppressed by white America then yes? They don't have so called white privilege correct?

 

[gourimoko]

Is it fair that Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans get discriminated against?

It's not fair for anyone to be discriminated against. Are you saying Affirmative Action is discriminatory against Chinese, Japanese and Koreans? I think you'd be mistaken given the aforementioned points, right?

There is some truth to the statement that they need to score higher than anyone else, on average, to get admitted in a general sense; but that's due to other factors as well which is what Harvard stated (i.e., legacy admission, sports programs, etc).

I'm sure you know that there's more to the admissions process than studying for the SAT/ACT, right? Top-tier scores aren't a guarantee of getting into Harvard or Yale, there's more to it than that.

And what makes them so special?

Special? Socioeconomics and geopolitical factors in those specific countries.

Japanese, Chinese, and Koreans have had less socioeconomic and political turmoil in their respective societies (for first generation Americans coming over), and have more stability, greater emphasis on education in both their countries and this one. This wasn't always the case -- it's a recent phenomena, and one that we're not considering largely due to recency bias.

 

[-Akronite-]

+10 privilege points!

I feel like this is why these conservative kids latch so hard onto how well they "meme," since they can't produce worthwhile satire.

 

[gourimoko]

So if it's a myth they must also be oppressed by white America then yes?

I don't think White people oppress anybody.

You don't oppress me Ty, you're White, and I'm not.

So yes, that's a myth.

They don't have so called white privilege correct?

Well, in Hawaii, Japanese have a 'Japanese Privilege' privilege of sorts.... it's widely known about, and discussed, but it exists nonetheless. Whites are unfortunately discriminated against in Hawaii, so no, they don't have White Privilege there.

But if you're asking me if Asians have White Privilege, then the answer is no, they don't.

 

[Huber.]

I feel like this is why these conservative kids latch so hard onto how well they "meme," since they can't produce worthwhile satire.

Thank you for tell us how conservatives feel. +6 privilege points.

 

[-Akronite-]

Thank you for tell us how conservatives feel. +6 privilege points.

But dang it if y'all can't meme it up.

 

[The Oi]

It's funny. I always, apparently wrongly, assumed Asians were getting the benefit of the doubt in admissions.

 

[TyGuy]

I don't think White people oppress anybody.

You don't oppress me Ty, you're White, and I'm not.

So yes, that's a myth.



Well, in Hawaii, Japanese have a 'Japanese Privilege' privilege of sorts.... it's widely known about, and discussed, but it exists nonetheless. Whites are unfortunately discriminated against in Hawaii, so no, they don't have White Privilege there.

But if you're asking me if Asians have White Privilege, then the answer is no, they don't.

So then white privilege is a myth?

 

[gourimoko]

So then white privilege is a myth?

I'm not sure I follow how you've come to that conclusion?

Ty, if you'd like, I can walk you through the logic as to why "White Privilege" exists...

 

[Nathan S]

So then white privilege is a myth?

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I'm not sure I follow how you've come to that conclusion?

Ty, if you'd like, I can walk you through the logic as to why "White Privilege" exists...

I don't know where you get your patience from gour

 

[TyGuy]

I'm not sure I follow how you've come to that conclusion?

Ty, if you'd like, I can walk you through the logic as to why "White Privilege" exists...

By all means, continue...

 

[TyGuy]

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I don't know where you get your patience from gour

I'm yet to hear anything reasonable about me being so privileged because of my ethnicity. Maybe i'm just not and my privilege comes from being an American living in the 21st century?

Is that not reasonable to ask for examples? Or should we all just take it at face value?

 

[gourimoko]

By all means, continue...

So, let's establish some premises first, right?

So, we can agree on a few basic things I think:

A1) Human beings are inherently tribal.

A2) Tribalism entails degrees of trust and mistrust for ingroups and outgroups.

A3) Groups of such associations form implicit biases, or sociologically speaking, group biases, based on preference as well as prejudice. Some of this is learned, but much is simply based on fear.

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B1) Humans, like other species, generally congregate and self-associate with others that they believe appear as their parents do (most animals never see themselves, they associate self image from their parents).

B2) In America (unlike say, Brazil), miscegenation is a much more recent phenomena (Loving v Virginia).

B3) America has a long history of forming social groups or classes based specifically on a system of racial categorizations that stems from it's founding. (See, US Constitution, Civil War, 13-15th Amendments, Civil Rights Act, Segregation/Desegregation, etc etc etc)

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So let's start with these premises.. Are we in agreement that {A1..A3} and {B1..B3} are true statements?