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Racial Tension in the U.S.

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  • Racial Tension in the U.S.

    Votes: 16 51.6%

  • Extremist Views on the U.S.

    Votes: 2 6.5%

  • Mending Years of Racial Stereotypes.

    Votes: 2 6.5%

  • Protest Culture.

    Votes: 1 3.2%

  • Racist Idiots in the News.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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    Votes: 10 32.3%
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TyGuy said:
Can you see how it might be annoying to be lectured as a white guy. That it's okay to single out only white males and lecture them? Or told you have this privilege? Wouldn't that be extremely annoying to you?
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I'm white and I don't get lectured on it. Probably because I acknowledge that it exists.
 
TyGuy said:
Can you see how it might be annoying to be lectured as a white guy. That it's okay to single out only white males and lecture them? Or told you have this privilege? Wouldn't that be extremely annoying to you?
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Yes, I understand how on first listening or hearing the phrase, it might get rejected out of hand.. especially by someone who is specifically White and massively underprivileged.

But personally, from that point, I would try to research the topic and understand it...

And Ty, FWIW, believe me when I say that, as a Black male, we get our share of lectures about family stability, double-parent households, and how to say 'sir' in just the right way to police... There's certain realities that each of us has to unfortunately endure because of this race-based system we have in our culture.
 
gourimoko said:
I would imagine it's much higher than the rest of the country; but, specifically, I'm trying to establish consensus on the aforementioned premises.

Where do we agree / disagree and how do we form consensus on those specific points so that we can establish a logic path of reasoning to whether or not 'White Privilege' exists?
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Why do we need a logic path? I'm really not interested in you getting me to agree to something so later you can say because I agreed with a that means b and c.

It's particularly hard when A doesn't apply to me and double so that the state I live in it applies less than the rest of the country.

We don't need a logic path. Provide some examples and stats if you like.
 
Jack Brickman said:
Doesn't appear to be speaking to me specifically. And I don't have to watch the video. In fact, I didn't. Didn't even click the play button.
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Are you a white male? If so, they are speaking to you.
 
How about we try this:

Everybody here that's white. Please tell us how you benefit from white privilege? Ready, set.......go!
 
TyGuy said:
Why do we need a logic path? I'm really not interested in you getting me to agree to something so later you can say because I agreed with a that means b and c.
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I thought you wanted to have a logical discussion? That is precisely how that goes..

If there is some counterpoint you wish to make, I'm all ears.. I've already agreed to your stipulations and modified the premises to account for recent social changes.

TyGuy said:
It's particularly hard when A doesn't apply to me and double so that the state I live in it applies less than the rest of the country.
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1) If you're looking to establish a general case based on your own set of experiences, you understand why that would not be rational right? There are 323 million people in the United States; you are not a representative sample, right? So, we should look at data that empirically demonstrates that both your anecdotal experience and my own (we both are with Asian women) are atypical. We can agree here right?

2) I'm not sure why you're establishing a boundary condition along the California state line? I thought we were talking about American society, no? If we're talking about America, then shouldn't that boundary condition be the borders and history and culture of the entirety of the country, not just California? I mean, California is a massively liberal state; it is not exactly representative of the U.S., right?

TyGuy said:
We don't need a logic path.
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If we're not dealing in logic, then what are we dealing in? I thought you wanted to engage in a critical, reasoned discussion? I'm attempting that here with you now.

TyGuy said:
Provide some examples and stats if you like.
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Sure.

So let's establish a few facts:

Question) We've previously established that "historically," Americans did not commonly intermarry across races. You and I agreed on this point already, so at some point in time, this has changed: the question is, to what degree, right?

Fact #1) As of 1970 (a year I think would be representative of our parents adolescent or early adulthood), less than 1% of newly formed American households were mixed-race; that is to say, only 1% of Americans married across racial lines.

Fact #2) As of 2013, all inter-racial marriages in the country comprised only 6.3% of the total marriages nationwide.

Fact #3) As of 2013, for Whites, only 7% of both newly-wed men and women marry outside of their race.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/06/12/interracial-marriage-who-is-marrying-out/

So can we agree that your experience and mine, largely based on #2 above, are not representative of the typical American household?
 
TyGuy said:
How about we try this:

Everybody here that's white. Please tell us how you benefit from white privilege? Ready, set.......go!
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Would you rather not have a serious, logical discussion about this topic, Ty?
 
gourimoko said:
Would you rather not have a serious, logical discussion about this topic, Ty?
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I am being serious. I'm curious to know how our white members(specifically the ones that believe there is white privilege) benefit from being white.
 
TyGuy said:
How about we try this:

Everybody here that's white. Please tell us how you benefit from white privilege? Ready, set.......go!
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Well, when I get pulled over by a cop, I don't have to worry about him shooting me. That's nice. And in general, cops are super polite to me. I doubt that's the case for everyone here.
 
Jack Brickman said:
Well, when I get pulled over by a cop, I don't have to worry about him shooting me. That's nice. And in general, cops are super polite to me. I doubt that's the case for everyone here.
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You know this for a fact because you're white? White people are never treated with hostility from police officers? I do know some white people that have been treated with hostility from cops on routine stops.

A couple things though. I'm fairly certain they were rude to the cops(not justified, but they're human unfortunately), #2 they have a criminal record.

In fact, one in particular. his brother died in prison and the family has a pending lawsuit for negligence. He was ill and they failed to get him treatment.
 
TyGuy said:
I am being serious. I'm curious to know how our white members(specifically the ones that believe there is white privilege) benefit from being white.
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Ty, I'm just trying to move the discussion forward, is there something in the aforementioned that you disagree with? It seems like we're getting distracted with less than reasonable tangents and not focusing on the initial proposition.
 
gourimoko said:
Ty, I'm just trying to move the discussion forward, is there something in the aforementioned that you disagree with? It seems like we're getting distracted with less than reasonable tangents and not focusing on the initial proposition.
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You don't need me to agree to move the discussion forward.
 
TyGuy said:
You don't need me to agree to move the discussion forward.
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Actually Ty, I can't actually move forward, logically, until we define a set of premises that we both agree on.

That's.. why I'm asking you where do you disagree. I'm trying to find a consensus here of just some basic facts.

You stated you disagreed about humans being tribal because, while we were once tribal historically, today we are far less so. I agree to the stipulation that we have changed in this regard in recent years, but I'm trying to establish the degree of such change. You asked for evidence of my assertion, and I provided it as requested.

I'm asking you now, at this point, do you disagree with any of my premises as they've been laid out?
 
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