Racial Tension in the U.S.

[Mr. Orange]

I'd also like to know the number of shootings where they were resisting arrest for all races. Also whether or not the gun ownership was lawful or not would be something to look at.

This part is asking a question about all races. But it seems to be a setup for...

The black person that lawfully owns a firearm that isn't resisting arrest likely isn't getting shot.

This...which is projecting that there must have been something that a black person did themselves, not that the cops are biased.

Can you see it now?

 

[TyGuy]

This part is asking a question about all races. But it seems to be a setup for...



This...which is projecting that there must have been something that a black person did themselves, not that the cops are biased.

Can you see it now?

No, I don't see it because that's not what I did. If I wanted that extra data for all races then why are you telling me that i'm singling out black people? My assumption is if you control for resisting arrest and possession of an illegal firearm you will see more instances of police shootings for all races. I wanted to see how close those percentages were for all races, but you're telling me i'm projecting that black people are at fault. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

 

[gourimoko]

I don't get it when you have these questions, I answer them, and then it becomes a different question.

This.

 

[TyGuy]

You don't do any digging and don't read the evidence I give to you. You don't think dismissing the resisting charge from 52% of cases is even thought provoking? Why does that happen? For no reason?

I don't get it when you have these questions, I answer them, and then it becomes a different question.

https://www.wnyc.org/story/resisting-arrest-black-white/

You are more likely to be charged with it if you are black too. To you I assume that means black people are more likely to resist, right? Because the police said so. It's a weird crime because we aren't talking about assaulting an officer here. What is the evidence?

Maybe black people are just resisting arrest more than White people? Why can't that be a possibility?

 

[DJTJ]

This.

It's almost like he's been moving the goal posts for over a year.

 

[gourimoko]

Maybe black people are just resisting arrest more than White people? Why can't that be a possibility?

What a fucking idiotic thing to say....

 

[MediumBaller]

What a fucking idiotic thing to say....

Well, crime rates vary across races so it's not that wild of a question.

 

[gourimoko]

Well, crime rates vary across races so it's not that wild of a question.

SMH... This isn't about "crime rates," it's about suspects who are already suspects and their propensity to resist arrest, based on their race. It's ... idiotic ... I can't believe we're even entertaining this.

 

[MediumBaller]

SMH... This isn't about "crime rates," it's about suspects who are already suspects and their propensity to resist arrest, based on their race. It's ... idiotic ... I can't believe we're even entertaining this.

I don't know the resisting arrest rates for different races, but why is it "fucking idiotic" to merely ask? I would be surprised if the rates are consistent across the board, so I don't think @TyGuy meant anything bad by mentioning it. He just raised it as a possibility.

 

[gourimoko]

I don't know the resisting arrest rates for different races,

Neither does anyone else; how would you even objectively quantify the causal relationship between "race" and the tendency to resist arrest?

but why is it "fucking idiotic" to merely ask?

Because the assertion made immediately thereafter, Medium, is not falsifiable. It's not a scientific question, and, given the history of posts, it's not even a question being made in good faith. Instead, it's simply designed to stir the pot.

I would be surprised if the rates are consistent across the board so I don't think @TyGuy meant anything bad by mentioning it. He just raised it as a possibility.

Give me a break, Medium.

 

[TyGuy]

To me it’s idiotic to believe that all crime stats will be equal amongst all races, and that any variation means that racism is the only possibility.

So if a crime stat says that white men are murdering people at a higher rate per capita than Asian people my first thought isn’t that the police or justice system is racist.

 

[gourimoko]

To me it’s idiotic to believe that all crime stats will be equal amongst all races

No one suggested they are. The question is causation. You seem to have missed that part.

and that any variation means that racism is the only possibility.

No one said anything like this. You're simply borrowing an argument from somewhere else.

So if a crime stat says that white men are murdering people at a higher rate per capita than Asian people my first thought isn’t that the police or justice system is racist.

Right, because the entire point of your argument is to somehow disprove or argue against the existence of discrimination in the justice system -- well, as it relates to Black people ... right?

And yet, somehow, if you look at people convicted of the same crime, same circumstances, yet getting disproportionately different sentencing, you'd call that discriminatory, right?

Yes, surely you would, because that was the exact conversation about men vs women in the "Thread About Women" earlier today... Right?

And yet, when talking about Black people, here we are... Hmm..

 

[The Oi]

Checking in...

Looks like you all are still going around in the same circle you have been forever. Good job guys.

 

[TyGuy]

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Looks like you all are still going around in the same circle you have been forever. Good job guys.

We almost have it figured out. Stay tuned.

 

[Sebastian]

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Looks like you all are still going around in the same circle you have been forever. Good job guys.