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Racial Tension in the U.S.

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  • Racial Tension in the U.S.

    Votes: 16 51.6%
  • Extremist Views on the U.S.

    Votes: 2 6.5%
  • Mending Years of Racial Stereotypes.

    Votes: 2 6.5%
  • Protest Culture.

    Votes: 1 3.2%
  • Racist Idiots in the News.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
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    Votes: 10 32.3%

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You don't do any digging and don't read the evidence I give to you. You don't think dismissing the resisting charge from 52% of cases is even thought provoking? Why does that happen? For no reason?

I don't get it when you have these questions, I answer them, and then it becomes a different question.

https://www.wnyc.org/story/resisting-arrest-black-white/

You are more likely to be charged with it if you are black too. To you I assume that means black people are more likely to resist, right? Because the police said so. It's a weird crime because we aren't talking about assaulting an officer here. What is the evidence?
Sometimes it's done just to make the taking the deal look like a better option to the offender.

Do you have evidence that shows cops are lying en masse about black people and resisting charges? That's a really, really bold claim.
 
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My assumption is

This is projecting your preconceived belief that black people MUST have been doing something wrong. But notice it ignores what we have been hearing for years about Driving while black, and what the BLM and ImWithKap crowd have been telling us, and what police themselves have said with "we only kill black people". Yet you still don't want to believe them. Why?

It's important that we listen to them. They are the ones living it.

You have an asian wife correct? If your son tells you he is experiencing racism will you believe him? Or will you tell him it's his fault? Will you tell him he is not experiencing racism?
 
What TyGuy posted is not a "flaw" in the article. He is projecting his own assumptions...assuming that the 2X rate in blacks being shot must somehow be their fault.

Actually, he's not assuming that. He's raising it as a possibility. You're the one assuming that it is not possible. Ask yourself this: do you think white people and black people (speaking generally/statistically, not about individuals) view police the same? And if they don't view police the same, isn't there at least a possibility that viewing police differently may lead to people treating/reacting to police differently?

The potential issue here is kind of a chicken/egg thing. If some black people are anti-police, they are may be less likely to cooperate with police and/or more likely to resist arrest. And the more who get in physical confrontations with cops because they're resisting arrest, the more other black people will believe that cops are more violent towards black people, so the problem may feed on itself. And it is entirely possible that the problem started because police really did/do treat black people worse. But the reaction to that becomes self-reinforcing even if the cops do clean up their act.

I am not saying that is happening. But if you are going to look at stats that say "black people are more likely to be arrested for resisting arrest", and conclude from that police treat black people differently from white people because of their race, then it is up to you to disprove the possibility that there may be a different reason for that discrepancy.

It is also possible that unless the "resisting" charges are controlled for income, that the reality is that the poor are more likely to be arrested for resisting, and part of the reason blacks are arrested disproportionately is because they are disproportionately poor.

Again, I'm not saying that is the case. I don't know. I'm simply saying that if you're going to draw a conclusion from statistics, you have to control for other variables.
 
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Also as far as Heroin being legal. Most people start taking heroin because they can no longer afford the prices of the prescription opioids they got hooked on first.

That's likely true, but that's not saying that they're innocent. In many case, the prescription opioids on which they got hooked were not ones that were prescribed for them. They were stolen from a family member, or bought on the black market from those who get drugs they don't need, then sell them, etc..

I am unfortunately familiar with a bunch of kids who got hooked on that stuff, and not a single one of them were actually prescribed legit pain killers for their own medical problems. That's not statistical proof, but it's enough for me to know that just because you got hooked on legal opioids first doesn't mean your own initial use of them was legal.
 
Actually, he's not assuming that. He's raising it as a possibility. You're the one assuming that it is not possible. Ask yourself this: do you think white people and black people (speaking generally/statistically, not about individuals) view police the same? And if they don't view police the same, isn't there at least a possibility that viewing police differently may lead to people treating/reacting to police differently?

The potential issue here is kind of a chicken/egg thing. If some black people are anti-police, they are may be less likely to cooperate with police and/or more likely to resist arrest. And the more who get in physical confrontations with cops because they're resisting arrest, the more other black people will believe that cops are more violent towards black people, so the problem may feed on itself. And it is entirely possible that the problem started because police really did/do treat black people worse. But the reaction to that becomes self-reinforcing even if the cops do clean up their act.

I am not saying that is happening. But if you are going to look at stats that say "black people are more likely to be arrested for resisting arrest", and conclude from that police treat black people differently from white people because of their race, then it is up to you to disprove the possibility that there may be a different reason for that discrepancy.

It is also possible that unless the "resisting" charges are controlled for income, that the reality is that the poor are more likely to be arrested for resisting, and part of the reason blacks are arrested disproportionately is because they are disproportionately poor.

Again, I'm not saying that is the case. I don't know. I'm simply saying that if you're going to draw a conclusion from statistics, you have to control for other variables.

Again, it’s the first place his mind goes.

We have US Citizens, our countrymen, neighbors, coworkers, classmates, telling us that this is happening. Statistics back this up. Police admit to it. So why wouldn’t we believe it? Why try to discredit it?

It’s likely that if you are white, your future grandchildren or almost certainly great grandchildren will be mixed race. It’s important we listen and believe these things now, because if it doesn’t affect you today, it will affect your future family. It’s an issue that affect all races. Or would you not believe your grandchildren either?
 
It’s likely that if you are white, your future grandchildren or almost certainly great grandchildren will be mixed race. It’s important we listen and believe these things now, because if it doesn’t affect you today, it will affect your future family. It’s an issue that affect all races. Or would you not believe your grandchildren either?

Huh?

I support law enforcement and following the law no matter the race.

There are going to be bad cops and it’s unavoidable. Bad shootings will take place no matter the color of the person.

Don’t resist arrest and follow the law. Take personal responsibility for your behavior.
 
Again, it’s the first place his mind goes.

Where else is he suppose to go when you reached a conclusion without excluding other possibilities?

We have US Citizens, our countrymen, neighbors, coworkers, classmates, telling us that this is happening....So why wouldn’t we believe it? Why try to discredit it?

Because of "Hands up, don't shoot." Because of all the hoaxes, the racist events that turn out to be committed by someone just trying to get attention for their cause, etc.. Because people's subjective biases may lead them to see things in a biased manner. That's not to say that it doesn't sometimes happen. But relying on uncorroborated, subjective assertions from people to define the scope and magnitude of the problem isn't a good way to find the truth.

Statistics back this up.

Again, if you're going to draw a conclusion from statistics, you have to exclude the other variables. You haven't even attempted to do that.

Police admit to it.

For the second time, to what are you referring to here? Was there some opinion poll where a majority of cops said they like beating up/shooting black people? What is your backup for that statement?
 

Oh, great. You have one cop saying something stupid (seems like he was being facetious, but whatever) and you, for this time only, apparently are accepting what a cop is saying as true. So since you are apparently using this as evidence, let me ask you a question:

Is "we only shoot black people" actually true? Or are you just pretending it is true to try to make a point?
 
Oh, great. You have one cop saying something stupid (seems like he was being facetious, but whatever) and you, for this time only, apparently are accepting what a cop is saying as true. So since you are apparently using this as evidence, let me ask you a question:

Is "we only shoot black people" actually true? Or are you just pretending it is true to try to make a point?

It's another data point.

Again, it's important that we believe and listen to our fellow countrymen.
 

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