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Black Panther ain't got shit on the Pink Panther.

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Jack Brickman said:
More or less how I felt about it. I think it got overhyped by the people on this board a bit, which probably impacted my thoughts on the film. Perfectly good comic book film, but I agree that I'd probably rank it behind Ragnarok, Homecoming, Guardians 1, Civil War, and Winter Soldier. It's like borderline top tier for a Marvel movie, but not quite there.

Visually it was fantastic, though.
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The villain's story is so compelling and the Jabari so own the comic relief, that Black Panther and Wakanda itself came out a little flat for me.

A limit to Wakanda's power (i.e. enough Vibranium for a small country like Wakanda to last an eternity but only enough to power the world for a 100 as example would have added another moral layer that would have balanced out Killmonger's moral claims well and fit in with the MCU: the Spiderman quandary) and some plausible reason for the most advanced country both technologically and in terms of humanism to still use ritual combat (i.e. it's just show combat) would have pushed it up to a 10/10. Still an excellent movie and would love a Killmonger netflix series but that's probably too small fry for Michael B Jordan
 
Pioneer10 said:
The villain's story is so compelling and the Jabari so own the comic relief, that Black Panther and Wakanda itself came out a little flat for me.
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I kinda get what you mean as far as the Black Panther not being the most compelling character; he wasn't -- Killmonger was. But, I don't think T'Challa is even meant to really take the spotlight insomuch as he's to blend into the backdrop of Wakanda and this world they're trying to portray... I also think T'Challa is supposed to be portrayed as initially naive, and even foolhardy about his own abilities, as well as the motivations of those who would think to kill him.

Pioneer10 said:
A limit to Wakanda's power (i.e. enough Vibranium for a small country like Wakanda to last an eternity but only enough to power the world for a 100 as example would have added another moral layer that would have balanced out Killmonger's moral claims well and fit in with the MCU: the Spiderman quandary)
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The way Wakanda was portrayed is mostly how it is in the comics; but I think they may have taken a lighter angle on the Wakandan people and their ideology, and that's why it might be confusing.

The reason Wakanda does not share Vibranium in the film, is because it's dangerous, and they've seen for countless generations that modern nations cannot be trusted with that kind of technological power.

But beyond that, Wakandans are actually quite hostile to outsiders, wholly and totally isolationist and very xenophobic. We see this when T'Challa asks W'Kabi about helping refugees. W'Kabi suggests that if T'Challa (or his father) had asked him or the tribes in general to invade the rest of Africa, or even the world -- that they would follow his lead -- but that isolationism is really their way. They're not interested in sharing their technology or their advancements, with anyone, even if it means the loss of life.

To Killmonger, this was a despicable and detestable stance to take with so much suffering in the world...

Only after T'Challa defeats Killmonger does he decide to embrace his more progressive viewpoint.

Pioneer10 said:
and some plausible reason for the most advanced country both technologically and in terms of humanism to still use ritual combat (i.e. it's just show combat) would have pushed it up to a 10/10.
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Well, we have our own ancient and odd traditions as well, right? For example, why do many of us cut the skin off of our newborn babies penises? Or consider the fact that millions of Americans have themselves fully immersed into water to be "baptized," and millions more ritualistically eat the flesh and drink the blood of a 2,000 year old dead (but reborn) Jewish rabbi.

With that being said .. I think I'd argue that they have their own particular cultural traditions that, more or less, have gone without outside influence for generations -- so that's why they've not adopted a more "modern" approach to governance. Because think about it, where would those ideas, and that culture even come from?
 
gourimoko said:
The way Wakanda was portrayed is mostly how it is in the comics; but I think they may have taken a lighter angle on the Wakandan people and their ideology, and that's why it might be confusing.

The reason Wakanda does not share Vibranium in the film, is because it's dangerous, and they've seen for countless generations that modern nations cannot be trusted with that kind of technological power.

But beyond that, Wakandans are actually quite hostile to outsiders, wholly and totally isolationist and very xenophobic. We see this when T'Challa asks W'Kabi about helping refugees. W'Kabi suggests that if T'Challa (or his father) had asked him or the tribes in general to invade the rest of Africa, or even the world -- that they would follow his lead -- but that isolationism is really their way. They're not interested in sharing their technology or their advancements, with anyone, even if it means the loss of life.

To Killmonger, this was a despicable and detestable stance to take with so much suffering in the world...

Only after T'Challa defeats Killmonger does he decide to embrace his more progressive viewpoint.
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I get it but it just didn't resonate with me. Some of this was likely limited due to time constraints in the movie format and I'm not familiar with comic version of Wakanda but the rationale was explained without any historical explanation. Also the society is so profoundly progressive (women in power/women in science/equality of lifestyles) that it's odd to be married to the isolationist set. Traditionally isolationism in instances that I recall (american, chinese) etc this mindset tends to go with ugly racism/nativism whether it's against steppe peoples or Irish/Italians coming in yet Wakandans are portrayed as just so well nice.

Personally story would have fit together better with some limitations on Vibranium (again my personal preference but I've never been a fan of Superman for similar reasons)

Well, we have our own ancient and odd traditions as well, right? For example, why do many of us cut the skin off of our newborn babies penises? Or consider the fact that millions of Americans have themselves fully immersed into water to be "baptized," and millions more ritualistically eat the flesh and drink the blood of a 2,000 year old dead (but reborn) Jewish rabbi.

With that being said .. I think I'd argue that they have their own particular cultural traditions that, more or less, have gone without outside influence for generations -- so that's why they've not adopted a more "modern" approach to governance. Because think about it, where would those ideas, and that culture even come from?
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Nothing to disagree with: no issues with Jabari for example but even the Chinese and Egyptians which lasted thousands of years never had such an idiosyncratic system even if they coached their system with stuff like Mandates of Heaven.
 
I saw the new Predator movie trailer and i hate it. Seems like the director doesnt seem to get what made the original movie fun - weird considering he was in the original.
 
brownindian said:
I saw the new Predator movie trailer and i hate it. Seems like the director doesnt seem to get what made the original movie fun - weird considering he was in the original.
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I didn’t realize he made that shitty Iron Man 3 either. New Predator looks really bad
 
BMAN said:
I didn’t realize he made that shitty Iron Man 3 either. New Predator looks really bad
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He did make Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, though, which is an awesome movie and one that helped revitalize RDJ's career.
 
Just watched 'Lincoln'.

Talk about a 180 from Bill Cutting.

Was there even such thing as Presidential security back then?
 
Also, I find it fairly hilarious that this thread started out with a review of G.I. Joe.
 
Hurl Bruce said:
Just watched 'Lincoln'.

Talk about a 180 from Bill Cutting.

Was there even such thing as Presidential security back then?
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Not really. The Treasury Dept. wasn't really tasked with that at the time. It wasn't until 1901, and three dead Presidents, that Congress authorized a permanent Presidential security detail.

Lincoln hired the Pinkertons sometimes but at other times he had a small military guard, or local police. The night he was shot, the local policeman left his post for a better view of the play.
 
Pioneer10 said:
The villain's story is so compelling and the Jabari so own the comic relief, that Black Panther and Wakanda itself came out a little flat for me.

A limit to Wakanda's power (i.e. enough Vibranium for a small country like Wakanda to last an eternity but only enough to power the world for a 100 as example would have added another moral layer that would have balanced out Killmonger's moral claims well and fit in with the MCU: the Spiderman quandary) and some plausible reason for the most advanced country both technologically and in terms of humanism to still use ritual combat (i.e. it's just show combat) would have pushed it up to a 10/10. Still an excellent movie and would love a Killmonger netflix series but that's probably too small fry for Michael B Jordan
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I actually would bet that Michael B Jordan wouldn't mind a Killmonger or any Netflix series. Alot of actors see doing 8-12 episode series as away to keep a steady income now. HBO and Netflix has taken advantage of that. A shorter series that isn't on network tv, let's them lock down almost guaranteed money while still having a movie career. One or two flops at the box office doesn't kill their whole career. HBO and Netflix are flexible enough that it doesn't have to be a strict schedule like network tv.

I actually think that Marvel would be the ones who would rather make a Killmonger movie than have it go to series. They wouldn't want to waste the star power or the character for the limited payout of a Netflix show.
 
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