Ray Allen to the Heat

[jay_em]

The funny thing is Jason Terry is just as good if not better than Ray Allen right now so Boston hasn't lost any pieces this off season. If anything they upgraded because Ray Allen was going to be a 6th man to Bradley which is exactly what the Jet will be and the Jet is younger, quicker, and not as injury prone. Plus JT is used to that role. Boston just got younger with that pickup. I would not be surprised if the Rondo lead Celtics with a healthy Avery Bradly and Jason Terry knock the Heat out next year. Rashard Lewis is useless without roids.

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The Celtics have done nothing to surpass the Heat on paper or anywhere else. Could they win a series next year if they played? Probably. Would it be a shocker/surprise based on the knowledge we have at this moment? ABSOLUTELY.

 

[Frank Reynolds]

Rashard doesn't need to do shit, just like Mike Miller this year. One game is all you need where he is the X factor.

You don't need roids to shoot a basketball! That is asinine.

Heat are going to repeat I hate to say it. Unless Oklahoma has an epiphany and Kevin Durant stops being pushed around and Perry Jones becomes Dual-Durantula I don't see them beating this Heat squad.

I'm going to drink ipecac and vomit now.

 

[bushwick_bill]

Sean Grande:Riley on Ray: "We hope we can be the one to hang his number in the rafters." Not that there was a doubt..but this was all about recruiting.about 7 minutes ago

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz20KltiPbt

This is why I cannot stand Riley...

Ethan J. Skolnick:Riley on Allen: "We expect that Ray will finish his career here, and we'd like to be the ones to someday hang his jersey in the rafters."about 10 minutes ago

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz20KmEp7Ri

 

[6.19.2016]

Rashard doesn't need to do shit, just like Mike Miller this year. One game is all you need where he is the X factor.

You don't need roids to shoot a basketball! That is asinine.

Heat are going to repeat I hate to say it. Unless Oklahoma has an epiphany and Kevin Durant stops being pushed around and Perry Jones becomes Dual-Durantula I don't see them beating this Heat squad.

I'm going to drink ipecac and vomit now.

I still think OKC has a realistic shot (and don't see Nash as blocking their path out of the West.) They have nowhere to go but continue to go up considerably, given their youth, even if Perry Jones' late drop meant he really wasn't that good.

That said, Allen and Lewis fill exactly the needs the Heat require from their supporting cast, and do so at far below their fair market value even given their age (at the absolute minimum Allen is worth $4-5MM and I'm not convinced Lewis is worth so much less to be worth a vet minimum.)

 

[Typhoon]

 

[sammyvine]

Exactly. Cry me a freakin' river already. He can wipe his tears with his millions of dollars he's been paid over the course of his career.

I love athletes that think they don't owe a thing to the fans of the game. The millions, and millions of dollars that they're overly paid from the course of playing come from hardworking Americans, half of them in whom can't really even afford the outrageous ticket prices to begin with.

It's so tough being a professional athlete. This is what they sign on for. If they don't like it, then go scrub toilets for a living, and be something where no one cares who you are.

I'm never going to feel bad for a professional athlete, nor any of the celebs that get hounded by paparazzi. You know this ahead of time, if you don't like it no one is making you do this for a living.

supply and demand my friend.

We look at all the salary's kobe and lebron earn but you have to say they are worth it with their talent and what they generate. My problem is average players like Hibbert getting huge $$$$$

 

[jay_em]

Hibbert may be average, but he's unique in that he's one of the few 7ft'ers now that can walk and chew gum at the same time. Teams are willing to shell out money for bigs. I mean Kwame Brown and Darko are still in the league...and they flat out SUCK.

 

[B3team]

Exactly. Cry me a freakin' river already. He can wipe his tears with his millions of dollars he's been paid over the course of his career.

I love athletes that think they don't owe a thing to the fans of the game. The millions, and millions of dollars that they're overly paid from the course of playing come from hardworking Americans, half of them in whom can't really even afford the outrageous ticket prices to begin with.

It's so tough being a professional athlete. This is what they sign on for. If they don't like it, then go scrub toilets for a living, and be something where no one cares who you are.

I'm never going to feel bad for a professional athlete, nor any of the celebs that get hounded by paparazzi. You know this ahead of time, if you don't like it no one is making you do this for a living.

I laugh everytime someone says pro athletes are over paid. Not only is it false, but pro athletes, in general, are incredibly underpaid. The value of an NBA superstar is much more than 20-some million dollars per year. These are the absolute best athletes in the world and there are only a handful of them, if this was a free market they would be making ~60-100 million dollars a year or more.

So, they are making 20-30% of what they should be making- that is the definition of being under-paid. Think about Jordan. He made everyone (his team, Nike, the league, Chicago, etc) so much money- billions of dollars, and he himself only got a tiny fraction of it even though he was the engine behind all of those earnings.

And I hate when people say that "I only make xx per year, so if someone else makes millions playing a game, they are overpaid". This just demonstrates that person does not understand economics or supply and demand. It doesn't matter what your job is or what you do, the only thing that sets your compensation is how many people can do the same thing for less money. If tomorrow, NBA execs found 100 players in some remote country that were as talented and could play basketball just as well as Lebron, NBA salaries would plummet almost instantly. The reason you don't make as much money at your job as Lebron does, is because there is no one else in the world that can do what he can. I can almost guarantee you that you are not the only person in the world who could do your job. If you were, you would probably make millions of dollars per year.

Athletes don't owe the fans anything. The fans have the choice to watch and follow the NBA. They don't support the NBA to help these players make large salaries, they support the NBA because they want to and they enjoy it. It's a completely free choice. The fans are not trying to help the players, the fans enjoy basketball.

 

[jay_em]

Athletes don't owe the fans anything. The fans have the choice to watch and follow the NBA. They don't support the NBA to help these players make large salaries, they support the NBA because they want to and they enjoy it. It's a completely free choice. The fans are not trying to help the players, the fans enjoy basketball.

Pretty much agree with all you said until we get to the above. The athletes owe the fans, because in a general sense without them then the owners wouldnt be in a position to pay those millions. The problem is when fans start to think a little too much of themselves and their role in things.

 

[B3team]

Pretty much agree with all you said until we get to the above. The athletes owe the fans, because in a general sense without them then the owners wouldnt be in a position to pay those millions. The problem is when fans start to think a little too much of themselves and their role in things.

The NBA fan support is directly related to NBA player salaries, I agree. But, the transaction is this (in the current state of the NBA): NBA players play basketball, fans watch and enjoy basketball. The end, both parties fulfilled their obligation.

If fans were actually owed something additional, fans wouldn't continue to watch until they got that "something." They certainly wouldn't continue to watch if they never ended up receiving that "something they were owed." In reality, there is nothing more: the currency for this transaction is money for the players and entertainment for the fans. All parties (players and fans) are "paid in full" when a player laces them up and the fans tune in on tv. Nothing more is owed to either the players or the fans. I think that sometimes the fans assume that the players are the only ones who gain anything because they see these massive NBA salaries- this is completely false. The fans gain entertainment. And the exact degree of entertainment that they experience is directly related to the NBA player salaries. In other words, the moment people stop watching the NBA is the exact moment that salaries begin to decline. The more fans stop watching the more player's salaries drop. Once no fans care about the NBA- NBA players will begin to make the same salaries as professional gymnasts or professional ping-pong players.

So, you see, the fans have all the power to dictate the transaction because they are the buyer- but once the transaction is agreed upon and both parties fulfill their requirements as agreed to, the fans don't deserve anything extra. Do you want to re-structure the terms of this agreement so you get more from the players? That is simple, stop watching, the market will adjust remarkably fast. But as long as people continue to support the NBA despite players not giving everything that certain fans feel they are allegedly "owed", the currency for this transaction will not change. Basically, the players are worth it, they don't owe anything extra, and they know it.

As long as someone continues to support the NBA and watch the games- that fan has zero legitamacy to complain about players oweing them anything. That would be like you going to a Mercedes dealership and saying "last week I gave you 50k for a new Mercedes, you owe me free dinner and you should make my rent payment next month. Afterall, it is me as the customer who is responsible for all of your income. Mercedes makes millions of dollars per year. In a general sense, without me and other customers, you wouldn't be in business." This is obviously wrong because the transaction was 50k from the customer and 1 car from the dealership- end of transaction. Both parties agreed and got everything that was agreed upon, so Mercedes owes the customer nothing additional because they don't have to. It doesn't matter if Mercedes makes billions per year, they fullfilled their obligation to the customer so they don't owe anything more. Sure, Mercedes Benz could say that they really appreciate their customers and they are going to decide to start voluntarily making rent payments for their customers, but they don't have to do that to sell cars, so they don't do it. Mercedes is not a charity and neither are NBA players. Players owe nothing additional to the fans because in the current state of the NBA/fan relationship, the players don't have to give anything additional. -You are still watching when they don't give anything extra. It is actually very unfair to the players to suggest they owe the fans anything additional, afterall, they are not a charity and they are already underpaid


Maybe this should be a new thread because this doesn't have anything to do with Ray Allen to the Heat. Mods, feel free to move.

 

[Numbers Guy]

Doc Rivers takes blame for Ray Allen's decision to leave Celtics for Heat

"People can use all the Rondo stuff – and it was there, no doubt about that – but it was me more than Rondo," said Rivers, who is working as an NBC analyst during the Olympics. "I'm the guy who gave Rondo the ball. I'm the guy who decided that Rondo needed to be more of the leader of the team. That doesn't mean guys liked that – and Ray did not love that – because Rondo now had the ball all the time.

"Think about everything [Allen] said when he left, 'I want to be more of a part of the offense.' Everything was back at Rondo. And I look at that, and say, 'That's not Rondo's fault.' That's what I wanted Rondo to do, and that's what Rondo should've done. Because that's Rondo's ability. He's the best passer in the league. He has the best feel in the league. He's not a great shooter, so he needs the ball in his hands to be effective. And that bothered Ray.

"And not starting [games] bothered Ray. I did examine it, and the conclusion I came back to was this: By doing the right things, we may have lost Ray. If I hadn't done that, I would've been a hypocrite. In the opening speech I make every year, I tell the team: 'Every decision I make is going to be what's good for the team, and it may not be what's good for the individual.' "

Rivers said he had mediated issues between Allen and Rondo for most of the five years that they played together, but that it became a dramatically worse issue in the 2010-11 season. Beyond the issues on the floor, Allen and Rondo had developed a deep disdain for each other, multiple sources told Yahoo! Sports. Allen had problems with how he was compensated and that his name was constantly included in trades talks, sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Ultimately, Allen struggled with Rivers' decision to make him a sixth man after he returned from an ankle injury. Rivers said he determined in the preseason that Boston's best chance to be a great team would be to bring Allen's scoring off the bench, but he couldn't do that until young guard Avery Bradley was prepared to move into the starting lineup.

Doc Rivers takes blame for Ray Allen's decision to leave Celtics for Heat - Yahoo! Sports

 

[bbedward]

If Ray Allen was upset about not getting more plays run through him, why Miami?

I don't know if spoelstra even runs plays out there its pretty much let wade and lebron run around and everyone else stand around in the perimeter. Which is good for Allen, as he'll get a lot of looks. But that's not much different than what he was with Boston, he's not very effective with the ball in his hands anyway, not at this point in his career anyway. Still don't understand the beef with Rondo.

 

[czvo]

If Ray Allen was upset about not getting more plays run through him, why Miami?

I don't know if spoelstra even runs plays out there its pretty much let wade and lebron run around and everyone else stand around in the perimeter. Which is good for Allen, as he'll get a lot of looks. But that's not much different than what he was with Boston, he's not very effective with the ball in his hands anyway, not at this point in his career anyway. Still don't understand the beef with Rondo.

Its like Doc said in that interview. Its one thing for a player to willingly give up something, and another thing to have it taken from them.

 

[Mdog1]

Its like Doc said in that interview. Its one thing for a player to willingly give up something, and another thing to have it taken from them.

Not only that, but it is a lot easier to give up those things, and win a title than it is to be forced to give them up, and fight to make the conference finals.

 

[Spencer Hawes]

I laugh everytime someone says pro athletes are over paid. Not only is it false, but pro athletes, in general, are incredibly underpaid. The value of an NBA superstar is much more than 20-some million dollars per year. These are the absolute best athletes in the world and there are only a handful of them, if this was a free market they would be making ~60-100 million dollars a year or more.

So, they are making 20-30% of what they should be making- that is the definition of being under-paid. Think about Jordan. He made everyone (his team, Nike, the league, Chicago, etc) so much money- billions of dollars, and he himself only got a tiny fraction of it even though he was the engine behind all of those earnings.

And I hate when people say that "I only make xx per year, so if someone else makes millions playing a game, they are overpaid". This just demonstrates that person does not understand economics or supply and demand. It doesn't matter what your job is or what you do, the only thing that sets your compensation is how many people can do the same thing for less money. If tomorrow, NBA execs found 100 players in some remote country that were as talented and could play basketball just as well as Lebron, NBA salaries would plummet almost instantly. The reason you don't make as much money at your job as Lebron does, is because there is no one else in the world that can do what he can. I can almost guarantee you that you are not the only person in the world who could do your job. If you were, you would probably make millions of dollars per year.

Athletes don't owe the fans anything. The fans have the choice to watch and follow the NBA. They don't support the NBA to help these players make large salaries, they support the NBA because they want to and they enjoy it. It's a completely free choice. The fans are not trying to help the players, the fans enjoy basketball.

I think pro athletes are paid what they're supposed to be paid. If you make the NBA a free market and remove the salary cap, the league would go belly if the current GM's are allowed to keep their jobs. Maybe for a few years, players like Lebron and Chris Paul will get their $50 million a year contract and then when the team realized they're bleeding money like a mofaka, all the shenanigans will stop. I would love if the NBA removed the salary cap. I'll bet if that happens, the league will contract and all the money will be spent on one or two star player and the rest of the players on the roster will be singed to minimum contracts. That's what the game has evolved into. The superstars will get their payday but the average players, role players and scrubs will suffer because all the money is being funneled to the star player. So in the end, it's just a movement of money but the average pay for a player will stay the same because how can everybody make more money in a free market when the revenue is only increasing a couple percentage points a year? If the average player's salary increase dramatically in a free market, the owners will have to eat the losses and that's not good for business. The league will most likely contract if that happens because no small market team can compete with the larger market team in a free market environment.

I can see the league contracting to say 8 teams if they immediately remove the salary cap and in a few years, will expand again when the proper personnel are put in place in order to manage players' contract. Like I said, super star players will get their payday but everyone else will see a pay cut because the money is just being moved around.