Rodney Hood: Won't be missed

[Cavatt]

My major problem with Rodney is his defense. He just doesn't make his presence felt on that end. He did pretty well for some stretches in those 2 last finals games giving good effort, but I need to see that way more. If he could just compete harder defensively, I wouldn't mind him at all, but you cannot be so inconsistent and not play d. You just can't

 

[Tharock4]

pull the offer. he dont want to play here.

 

[Nathan S]

pull the offer. he dont want to play here.

I think the hope is he's forced to accept the QO, and then we flip him for filler (another guy like Dekker maybe) and a 2nd rounder. That way we don't lose him for nothing.

 

[Douglar]

If he doesn't accept the QO by October 1st, the Cavs can pull the qualifying offer and Hood stays restricted.

 

[Cavatt]

I wonder what his hope is here at this point. There aren't a bunch of different options. Seems like being an RFA next year is just as bad if not worse.

 

[Nathan S]

I wonder what his hope is here at this point. There aren't a bunch of different options. Seems like being an RFA next year is just as bad if not worse.

Priority #1 has to be earning a significant rotation role somewhere.

At one point in the summer this looked like a given for him in Cleveland, but right now we have 8 players (Sexton, Hill, Cedi, Clarkson, JR, Korver, Nwaba, and Dekker) competing for rotation minutes on the perimeter, and Hood would be the 9th. Realistically, that means at least two, maybe three of those guys will end up out of the rotation, and Hood projects to be very much on the bubble.

He may have an easier time finding guaranteed rotation minutes on a team with less perimeter depth, but as most such teams can't offer much money to sign him outright, he'd have to hope they like him enough to work a sign and trade, probably with a second rounder or some other minor asset to make it worth it to the Cavs.

 

[TitleTown]

I think the hope is he's forced to accept the QO, and then we flip him for filler (another guy like Dekker maybe) and a 2nd rounder. That way we don't lose him for nothing.

Yeah, I think this makes the most sense. We don't lose him for nothing, but we don't give him a penny more than he deserves.

 

[inliner311]

I wonder what his hope is here at this point. There aren't a bunch of different options. Seems like being an RFA next year is just as bad if not worse.

I still think Hood and his agent will break down and will come to an multi-year agreement with the Cavs. Hood playing on the QO doesn't make sense for him because of all the depth we have at SG. If he isn't signed long term, the older guys will get minutes over him to build up their trade value. Adding Nwaba is even more competition even if we move some of the older guys at the deadline.

I think the best he can hope for is a 2+1 with the last year being a team option and is backloaded. Anyone know the rules on backloading contracts and the percentage allowed? What are the cap implications?

 

[Douglar]

Cavs have a "full bird" exception for Hood. They can use it to offer him to to a 5 year contract with 8% raises. It can start at any amount between min and max salary. Rodney's next contract will likely start near the full MLE amount, which is $8.641 million this year.

Seems like the Cavs want to use a portion of the MLE on Nwaba which allows up to 4 years, 5% raises, starting between min salary and $8.641 million.

The Cavs are about 12.5 Mil under the luxury tax right now without Hood or Nwaba.

Seems like the Cavs want Hood & Nwaba combined to come it at less than 12.5 Mil this season. Cavs don't want to go into the luxury tax or let Hood walk if Hood gets a full MLE offer. At the same time, it seems like the Cavs may want to offer Nwaba more than $3.9 Million, which is why Nwaba is still in limbo.

If the Cavs really wanted to, they could create more space under the luxury tax if they waived Hill, Smith, or Korver using the stretch provision. They could spread this year's salary + next year's guaranteed over five seasons. The down side is that a portion of the players contract would still count against the Cavs salary cap in 2022, in addition to losing the players and the contracts for this year.

 

[Cavatt]

Cavs have a "full bird" exception for Hood. They can use it to offer him to to a 5 year contract with 8% raises. It can start at any amount between min and max salary. Rodney's next contract will likely start near the full MLE amount, which is $8.641 million this year.

Seems like the Cavs want to use a portion of the MLE on Nwaba which allows up to 4 years, 5% raises, starting between min salary and $8.641 million.

The Cavs are about 12.5 Mil under the luxury tax right now without Hood or Nwaba.

Seems like the Cavs want Hood & Nwaba combined to come it at less than 12.5 Mil this season. Cavs don't want to go into the luxury tax or let Hood walk if Hood gets a full MLE offer. At the same time, it seems like the Cavs may want to offer Nwaba more than $3.9 Million, which is why Nwaba is still in limbo.

If the Cavs really wanted to, they could create more space under the luxury tax if they waived Hill, Smith, or Korver using the stretch provision. They could spread this year's salary + next year's guaranteed over five seasons. The down side is that a portion of the players contract would still count against the Cavs salary cap in 2022, in addition to losing the players and the contracts for this year.

No way they should pay them more than 12.5 combined. I'd guess they are at least serious about signing Hood or they would have just signed Nwaba to whatever and said, "This is all the money we have left"

 

[3 Ball...GOT IT]

Based on the way they structured the Love deal I'd put it at close to a zero percent change they use the stretch provision on anyone.

Teams have to be under the apron of $129,817,000 after using the non-taxpayer MLE in order to get it. The tax line is at $123,733,000. When you factor in the full MLE amount, a team would have to have a salary below $121,356,000 (which is under the tax line) in order to use the full taxpayer MLE on hood. But the key to this is that with where the tax is at, a bunch of teams who could offer that amount won't - simply because signing Rodney Hood at the full MLE would put them into the tax. First, he probably isn't a guy worth starting the repeater tax clock on, and additionally, the Cavs may match it anyways.

There's not a ton of teams who can give him the Full MLE without going into the tax. In addition, a lot of those teams have a full 15 guaranteed contracts already as well, and would have to eat additional money beyond the $8.6m by waiving a player to open a spot. Not to mention the Cavs could match it anyways.

All signs point to him signing his qualifying offer of $3.4 million I'd say.

 

[avs2000]

Based on the way they structured the Love deal I'd put it at close to a zero percent change they use the stretch provision on anyone.

Teams have to be under the apron of $129,817,000 after using the non-taxpayer MLE in order to get it. The tax line is at $123,733,000. When you factor in the full MLE amount, a team would have to have a salary below $121,356,000 (which is under the tax line) in order to use the full taxpayer MLE on hood. But the key to this is that with where the tax is at, a bunch of teams who could offer that amount won't - simply because signing Rodney Hood at the full MLE would put them into the tax. First, he probably isn't a guy worth starting the repeater tax clock on, and additionally, the Cavs may match it anyways.

There's not a ton of teams who can give him the Full MLE without going into the tax. In addition, a lot of those teams have a full 15 guaranteed contracts already as well, and would have to eat additional money beyond the $8.6m by waiving a player to open a spot. Not to mention the Cavs could match it anyways.

All signs point to him signing his qualifying offer of $3.4 million I'd say.

Would not want him for one year at the qualifying. No way we will sign him next year. Rather see others get his minutes

 

[3 Ball...GOT IT]

Would not want him for one year at the qualifying. No way we will sign him next year. Rather see others get his minutes

If he took the QO then I'd fully expect the Cavs to shop him. Not sure what the track record is of guys re-signing the summer following taking a QO, but I doubt it's very high. They'd need to rehab his trade value in the first half of the season if that were to happen.

 

[Douglar]

If he took the QO then I'd fully expect the Cavs to shop him. Not sure what the track record is of guys re-signing the summer following taking a QO, but I doubt it's very high. They'd need to rehab his trade value in the first half of the season if that were to happen.

There's three issues for the Cavs with Hood taking the QO--

1) Rodney would be an unrestricted free agent next summer, so his trade value would likely be lower than if he was on a 3 year year deal in the full MLE price range
2) Since the QO is a one year contract, the trading partner would not get full bird rights, making it hard to retain Rodney after a trade. If a team expects to have resources to retain Rodney after a trade without bird rights, why even trade for him this year when they could just pick him up next summer as a free agent with those same resources?
3) Since a trading Rodney on the QO would eliminate Rodney's bird rights, it automatically gives Rodney right of refusal on trades, because it theoretically reduces the number of teams who can bid on him next summer. Rodney would probably agree to a trade anyway if he's not getting minutes in Cleveland, but it's an extra hurdle, and who is going to trade for Rodney if he gets benched in Cleveland?

 

[inliner311]

There's three issues for the Cavs with Hood taking the QO--

1) Rodney would be an unrestricted free agent next summer, so his trade value would likely be lower than if he was on a 3 year year deal in the full MLE price range
2) Since the QO is a one year contract, the trading partner would not get full bird rights, making it hard to retain Rodney after a trade. If a team expects to have resources to retain Rodney after a trade without bird rights, why even trade for him this year when they could just pick him up next summer as a free agent with those same resources?
3) Since a trading Rodney on the QO would eliminate Rodney's bird rights, it automatically gives Rodney right of refusal on trades, because it theoretically reduces the number of teams who can bid on him next summer. Rodney would probably agree to a trade anyway if he's not getting minutes in Cleveland, but it's an extra hurdle, and who is going to trade for Rodney if he gets benched in Cleveland?

I wonder if they can't come to an agreement on a multi-year deal if the Cavs will offer a one year deal with some extra money over the QO so they can by pass the issues stated above. It could also be a good faith move if they want to try to keep him after this year. An extra million or so could make him alittle happier and if he plays well he might not immediately bolt in free agency.