"Rumored" Snow Trade

[Kypus]

Malik Rose is an interesting option, but we're stacked at the 4 and its not worth trading away Snow. I'd rather just sign a real center. In fact, i doubt that Snow is "on the market" as this article claims.

I agree with all Dung's points.
1. Rose is another guy that could run w/ AV in a Turnover Forcing unit, (same reason I'd take Andrew Declerq). *Very* intense defensive player.
2. We already got a 4th PF in Alan Henderson
3. Is next year's draft great on PG talent? We don't want to get rid of Snow, especially now, the FA PGs are so weak. I don't mind stringing together cheap backup PGs , but we're not handing this Cadillac team to some scrub if Damon goes down :thumbdown:
4. I still want White/Willis/Campbell (could un-retire again) and Declerq.
5. I doubt Ferry is shopping him, probably just listening to any offers because it would be dumb not to listen.

 

[CRWine+Gold]

Take a good look at Ben's video everyone. Everyone knows I love LeBron James, but that could be the worst travel I have ever seen in my life! :chuckles:

 

[ChicagoCavFan]

Take a good look at Ben's video everyone. Everyone knows I love LeBron James, but that could be the worst travel I have ever seen in my life! :chuckles:

LMAO - I was actually studying that hard yesterday - funny you bring that up. I was trying to see if it wasn't a travel. It's that popular jump stop and two steps that some refs seem to call, and some don't. The spin move makes it look like a travel - but to me, looks like its 3 steps (jump stop/spin, then 2 steps through the lane).

I think I remember seeing it live and remember it being a great play, for naught because a travel would be called...but they let it go.

 

[Rimage]

Can someone give me some names of ANYONE they remember Ira playing great(or good) defense against last year? I went to most of the games and honestly can't remember him holding any of the better players under their average. He was a "defensive specialist" in name alone. I think the Pax was probably embarrassed at having a player who averaged 5 points starting at SG and christined him with that misnomer.

Actually...I sort of can. I remember when Newble SHUT DOWN Kobe Bryant!!!

The Lakers, Kobe goes up for a defensive rebound, Ira runs up to Kobe as he is up getting the board, sliiiiides :shifty: his leg under Kobe and Kobe rolls his ankle coming down awkwardly down on Ira's leg.

Booyah!

Ira Newble is a defensive stopper alright.

 

[aggressivestyle]

i got that info from a miami heat fan on realgm. He usually is always correct about his stats. I'm not saying i wouldn't trade newble i just don't want to get NY crap for him. We can use him more than we can use a undersize rose on this team. We still need a backup center on this team not another PF.

Newble will be better defensively this season because he should be gaurding SF's.

 

[CleveRocks]

Newble will see near zero PT this year unless we are shopping him. So stop with the Ira love that you same guys wouldn't touch through the season last year..

And besides we don't need Ira to do the Toronto deal. Snow for Alston and Woods, Then toronto trades snow for crawford. The contracts work. Crawford is a man without a position, since larry is moving marbury to SG. It works for everybody. Arguably this is a better deal for Toronto, since they get a scorer at a position they really need to fill and he would be locked up for the long term. They have more than a few bigs to play with and they get rid of Alston who was a locker room problem last year and head case Woods who is. We get a legit big,and a legit back up or starting point and we can still sign Jahidi to bring the donuts..

 

[Pioneer10]

Can someone give me some names of ANYONE they remember Ira playing great(or good) defense against last year? I went to most of the games and honestly can't remember him holding any of the better players under their average. He was a "defensive specialist" in name alone. I think the Pax was probably embarrassed at having a player who averaged 5 points starting at SG and christined him with that misnomer.

I certainly didn't see that great defense last year particularly when he guarded SG's. Simply too quick for his slow feet. He does his best against slower SF's like Pierce for example. On the whole though he is an average defender IMO: he looks good because the guys surrounding him (Lebron and McInnis) sucked on D last year, particularly the latter

 

[Maximus]

I don't think Ferry would touch Alston....too much risk for a first year GM. His platform all summer has been "character" and "team" players. Alston just doesn't fit that mold....helluva lot of talent thought.

 

[bomber]

If we were to trade snow to NY, I wouldn't mind Taylor at all. He has a nice shot. -$7 million compared to snow's contract and 2 less years. At 2 years 18 mill, taylor seems like the only possible option from ny to me. Obviously if we got rid of snow we would need a new backup pg who plays strong d. With all that said I still don't see us dumping snow yet, the cavs like his veteran leadership and his d.

 

[CleveRocks]

We'll see what happens. Ferry has done a great job so far. So who am I to kibitz?

I think alot of players get labeled with character issues when they play for perrenial su%a$$ teams. In a lot of ways, I think Drew Gooden is a victim of that. Alston knows that he is wasting time on a rebuilding squad while he is in his prime. That and given his experience with Vince, he is bound to be frustrated with his situation.

As for Loren Wood. Well, he does have character problems, but he is also playing out the last year of his contract. Under those circumstances I think he will get with the program for his 10 minutes a game until AV shows up.. If he can't get motivated by then we can always move him in a midseason trade or whatever, as he will have value as an expiring contract and a seven footer..

 

[Maximus]

"I think alot of players get labeled with character issues when they play for perrenial su%a$$ teams."

While I agree with this statement I don't think it applies to Alston. Rafer makes JMac look like a choir boy IMO. At Fresno he was arrested for punching and choking his neighbors. Another time he was arrested for beating his girlfriend. He refused to go to anger management and was jailed yet another time for probation violation. His confrontations with with George Karl were legendary. Last season he allegedly had a physical confrontation with his coach at halftime. He also quit his team during a practice, another time at halftime of a game, and contemplated retiring during the season.
Ton of talent....short on self control and brains. Too bad.

 

[cavincali]

i too think the ira's defense was overrated. it just seemed that he was not quick enough to play D out in the open.

 

[Mac]

I don't think Ferry would touch Alston....too much risk for a first year GM. His platform all summer has been "character" and "team" players. Alston just doesn't fit that mold....helluva lot of talent thought.

How DOESNT he? He is a great team player. He isnt selfish, he has a good asst/to ratio, he can push the game, he can slow it down and is a good shooter. He plays all out every night, he has a TON of heart for the game.

Just because Sam Mitchell had beef with Alston, and pretty much his entire team, makes Alston a questionable team player? He has NEVER had team issues..

The fact that half the team was in the dog house says a lot about how Mitchell is running came up there, and with the talent he has lost, it wont be long before Mitchell is off the sidelines.

 

[Maximus]

How DOESNT he? He is a great team player. He isnt selfish, he has a good asst/to ratio, he can push the game, he can slow it down and is a good shooter. He plays all out every night, he has a TON of heart for the game.

Just because Sam Mitchell had beef with Alston, and pretty much his entire team, makes Alston a questionable team player? He has NEVER had team issues..

The fact that half the team was in the dog house says a lot about how Mitchell is running came up there, and with the talent he has lost, it wont be long before Mitchell is off the sidelines.

Great team players don't walk out of practice, even if he thought his teammates weren't putting in the effort. Unselfish players don't threaten to retire on their teammates in the middle of the season. He is a malcontent and I have heard multiple times that players just don't like playing with him.

"Never had team issues"? He admits himself that he has had team isues -
"It's tough right now for me… I'm hurting so much inside. I'm going to talk to Sam. I'm going to talk to Rob. I think it's time. I'm tired of getting into it with my teammates. I'm tired of getting into it with coaches. I don't know if I'm a good fit for this team, I don't know if I'm a good fit for this league any more… 'm going to take some time and I may just not even play any more the rest of the season… My mother didn't raise me to be this way and I'm not going to continue to embarrass myself… I'm not going to continue to embarrass my family and carry their name on my back every night and everybody's looking at Alston on my back and saying: 'He's an a--hole. He's a problem.'… I'm not doing it any more. This is my fourth team and the only time I've really had fun was last year when I was on a team with a bunch of people where we just played hard together, we enjoyed being around together, and we didn't worry about who shot the ball. Even when we had an off night, the guys still pulled for each other. I'm tired of looking like the bad apple in the tree. I'm looking like the bad guy, and it's not right."

Everywhere he goes he seems to get in trouble. You call it "heart". Maybe...but he also appears to have ZERO ability to control his emotions at any level on the court or at home. In such a critical year, there is no way Ferry would risk rocking the boat with this guy. If we want to keep Lebron and win a ring, we need a leader at the point not someone who is completely unstable emotionally! It can't always be the coaches fault. He says he's been unhappy every year except one in the NBA. We know he was unhappy in college. Why would it be any different in Cleveland? Trouble follows him everywhere.....maybe it's just him.

 

[Maximus]

More on Alston-
"He's the same guy who was kicked off his junior-college team after he, according to a 1997 report in the Los Angeles Times, dropped a weight on the groin of a sleeping teammate with whom he had argued. He's the same guy who faced misdemeanour battery charges twice in the late 1990s, once for beating up a neighbour who complained Alston's music was too loud, another time for striking a former girlfriend outside the weight room at Fresno State University. He's the same guy who spent a month in county jail after he refused to complete the anger-management course that was a condition of his parole in one of those cases; who spent the 1998-99 season on the NBA's suspended list because of his prolific entanglements with the justice system." Toronto Star