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well that sure won't limit the potential teams we could deal with:rolleyes:

As far as Delonte goes, teams probably don't want anything to do with him other than having him as an expiring contract anyways. So, it isn't that far-fetched.
 
I love hardball, but notice that we didn't end up with the player we wanted.


We wanted jackson for what we offered as a trade, meaning he isn't the be all end all and was a piece they wanted at a certain weighed cost, and not more.

Just because you like that new bmw 740 doesn't mean your willing to pay the sticker price or more does it?

Jackson is far from a bmw, more like a ford focus at the bmw asking price.
 
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As far as Delonte goes, teams probably don't want anything to do with him other than having him as an expiring contract anyways. So, it isn't that far-fetched.
A Delonte buyout isn't that far-fetched(unless he somehow has a big turnaround in the next few months), but demanding that both Delonte AND Z have to be bought out is a bit much.

I realize some teams may be willing to buy both out, but having that as a standing demand is pretty greedy IMO.
 
A Delonte buyout isn't that far-fetched(unless he somehow has a big turnaround in the next few months), but demanding that both Delonte AND Z have to be bought out is a bit much.

I realize some teams may be willing to buy both out, but having that as a standing demand is pretty greedy IMO.

I think the demand for Z is only if we don't get a big in return, which makes sense.
 
No problem with what Ferry did there. Jackson was a player the Cavs could have used, but we didn't "need" him. The only real reason we were interested was because of his amazingly low value, so of course he was gonna try and rob them. And it nearly worked, if Charlotte hadn't been dumb enough to offer that much, we'd have a pretty decent player offensively and defensively without giving anyone up (D-West would have returned) and we'd have a high pick in the draft to possibly use in another bigger deal down the road.
 
I think the demand for Z is only if we don't get a big in return, which makes sense.
Yeah that's true.

No problem with what Ferry did there. Jackson was a player the Cavs could have used, but we didn't "need" him. The only real reason we were interested was because of his amazingly low value, so of course he was gonna try and rob them. And it nearly worked, if Charlotte hadn't Bren dumb enough to offer that much, we'd have a pretty decent player offensively and defensively without giving anyone up (D-West would have returned) and we'd have a high pick in the draft to possibly use in another bigger deal down the road.
I don't understand why some are under the impression that GS would be forced into a deal with us. Like I (and a few others) said before, Jax wasn't holding them back from contending or even making the playoffs. They have no reason to give up what will probably be a great pick in a stacked draft just to trade him. Hell, having him around for another month or two until a team snatched him up with expirings(or something else) would actually give them a better shot at a top draft pick.
 
Yeah that's true.

I don't understand why some are under the impression that GS would be forced into a deal with us. Like I (and a few others) said before, Jax wasn't holding them back from contending or even making the playoffs. They have no reason to give up what will probably be a great pick in a stacked draft just to trade him. Hell, having him around for another month or two until a team snatched him up with expirings(or something else) would actually give them a better shot at a top draft pick.

GSW would have been forced into a deal with us. You don't understand becuase we haven't experienced it, but Jackson had ruined the locker-room. The fans HATED him and wanted him gone, they were booing him at games. His agent was attacking the organization.

There was no "waiting a month". GSW wanted to wait until December 15th, but they couldn't even make it that long. They were dealing Jackson last week, it was just a matter of who is going to give the best offer.
 
GSW would have been forced into a deal with us. You don't understand becuase we haven't experienced it, but Jackson had ruined the locker-room. The fans HATED him and wanted him gone, they were booing him at games. His agent was attacking the organization.

There was no "waiting a month". GSW wanted to wait until December 15th, but they couldn't even make it that long. They were dealing Jackson last week, it was just a matter of who is going to give the best offer.
No, they wouldn't have. Yes, he was causing all sorts of trouble with the organization.....but what damage did it actually do? He's not the difference between them competing or not. If they were in the middle of a playoff race and he was doing this then the situation is obviously different, but they're near the bottom of the league.

There WAS a "wait a month" option. They pulled the trigger now because the Bobcats actually offered them a good deal.

It's obvious Golden State is trying to build a young core (that may or may not include Monta). Why would they give up a top 10 pick in a stacked draft (aka: MORE REBUILDING HELP) just to get rid of a player a month early? Getting rid of Jax in December wouldn't be any different than getting rid of him in November, it wouldn't vault them into the playoff race then and it sure won't now. You seem to only be thinking in the present, and not in the future. Waiting a month to trade him and still keep your draft pick would be MUCH MUCH more beneficial in the future (which is what GS is focused on, they are obv not in win-now mode).
 
No, they wouldn't have. Yes, he was causing all sorts of trouble with the organization.....but what damage did it actually do? He's not the difference between them competing or not. If they were in the middle of a playoff race and he was doing this then the situation is obviously different, but they're near the bottom of the league.

There WAS a "wait a month" option. They pulled the trigger now because the Bobcats actually offered them a good deal.

It's obvious Golden State is trying to build a young core (that may or may not include Monta). Why would they give up a top 10 pick in a stacked draft (aka: MORE REBUILDING HELP) just to get rid of a player a month early? Getting rid of Jax in December wouldn't be any different than getting rid of him in November, it wouldn't vault them into the playoff race then and it sure won't now. You seem to only be thinking in the present, and not in the future. Waiting a month to trade him and still keep your draft pick would be MUCH MUCH more beneficial in the future (which is what GS is focused on, they are obv not in win-now mode).


I'm telling you with 100% certainty that they were DESPERATE to get rid of Jackson. He was ruining the team.

I understand what you're saying, but you're just wrong. You aren't understanding the situation and how much they wanted to get Jackson out of there. You underestimate the pull of Don Nelson in the organization and you underestimate how little he cares about anything except getting 21 more wins for his own personal status. He knew Jackson was making their chance to win games exponentially lower, and the way he was undermining Nelson really pissed Nelson off.

You may think that the Warriors are of sound mind, but they aren't. Nelson is bat-shit crazy and it has shown, and he has big pull in the organization.
 
The Contra Costa Times was the first to report the Cavs were asking for a pick from GS, and I posted that article to RCF (apparently a different thread though) a few days ago. By the way, I see nothing to indicate that it was a 2010 pick, could have been a future pick, or maybe a lottery protected pick. In fact, I was thinking that if it were a future pick, the Cavs could keep Jackson for a couple years, then package him and the pick in a trade. At least they would have that option...Glad to see that ESPN has to admit its silly theories about why the trade didn't happen are all absolutely baseless.
 
that's a quote from marc stein's latest power rankings:

"Not so good, from the Cavs' perspective, to hear LeBron publicly lament the fact that Charlotte beat Cleveland to Stephen Jackson"

can somebody tell me when lebron has done that? i've not heard anything from him regarding stephen jackson in any interviews...
 
i was wondering the same thing, i don't think lebron said anymore than it would have been great to add a player like that. stein just following his counterparts by trying to feed the LBJ leaving rumors.
 
Word out of Cleveland is that the Cavaliers were gravely disappointed to see Stephen Jackson shipped to Charlotte. It's their own fault -- the Warriors had to laugh at the mention of Wally Szczerbiak or Delonte West -- but they seem to feel Jackson could be a vital contributor to their playoff run.

"I'm a big fan of Jack," LeBron James told reporters. "I'm all for guys, no matter who they are, coming to this team and representing a winning mentality. Stephen Jackson could really help us. I thought Charlotte got a really good player. I was looking forward, if it would happen, to him coming here."

Jackson has a couple of supporters in coach Mike Brown, who coached him as an assistant in San Antonio, and general manager Danny Ferry, a teammate with the Spurs during the 2001-02 and '02-03 seasons. As for Jackson's reputation, LeBron said, "I don't judge a book by its cover. Whatever happened in someone's past, there's no reason for me to put that in their future. When they get here, I don't judge what they've gone through before. We've got some big influences in this locker room, a lot of guys who stay positive and want to help each other."


It's safe to say the feeling is mutual in this scenario. Jackson wants to join Cleveland in the worst way. He'd have one major concern -- the team losing to Boston or Orlando in the playoffs, followed by LeBron's exit to the free-agent market -- but I'm sure he'd be willing to take that risk. Whatever you feel about Jackson, he was born for the big moment, the important games. He doesn't always come through (recall his dismal playoff series against Utah in '07), but he walks onto the court with purpose.

Who doesn't look like that? Well, try Monta Ellis in that same series. Admittedly, he was young and inexperienced (in his second NBA season), but Ellis had a deer-in-the-headlights look throughout those playoffs, to the point where Don Nelson simply couldn't afford to play him. Ellis is an older, wiser, more jaded man today, and it would be interesting to see how he responds to playoff pressure if the Warriors trade him.

As for Stephen Curry, getting a crash course in NBA negativity, he had to be gratified by LeBron's postgame gesture last night. James made a point of approaching Curry, giving him a warm embrace and, by all accounts, telling him to stay focused and ride out the Warriors' storm. LeBron obviously sees the talent and humility within this kid, and Curry should take that to heart.

Meanwhile, look for Cleveland to keep pursuing Jackson. He could easily fall out of favor with panicky Charlotte coach Larry Brown, who always seems willing to trade half his roster, and I'll guarantee you Jackson will be making some ugly noise once he realizes how bad the Bobcats really are. Well worth watching at the trading deadline.

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I'm telling you with 100% certainty that they were DESPERATE to get rid of Jackson. He was ruining the team.

I understand what you're saying, but you're just wrong. You aren't understanding the situation and how much they wanted to get Jackson out of there. You underestimate the pull of Don Nelson in the organization and you underestimate how little he cares about anything except getting 21 more wins for his own personal status. He knew Jackson was making their chance to win games exponentially lower, and the way he was undermining Nelson really pissed Nelson off.

You may think that the Warriors are of sound mind, but they aren't. Nelson is bat-shit crazy and it has shown, and he has big pull in the organization.

I sampled GS fan blogs, and appreciate how eager they were to get rid of him. Is there anything in the CBA that would have prevented them from just telling Jackson to stay at home or whatever till they worked out a trade? GS management could have waited till after Dec. 15th and if no other offers came in they would get back to Cavs to see if a deal could be worked out. It's all moot because Charlotte emerged and offered a deal that at least wasn't insulting.

I think I understand Ferry's strategy with respect to the draft pick demand, but I still think he was too rigid in his demands. I appreciate his trying to balance longterm interests of the franchise with short term goals, but I would tend to emphasize the short term goals a bit more. The future is infinite possibilities, and very difficult to map out several years in advance.
 

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