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Speculation? - Varejao to T'Wolves For Derrick Williams and Luke Ridnour

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@Sam The Bullshit Whisperer ‏Not sure why I keep getting asked about this Timberwolves-Cavs trade rumor, but there's nothing at all to it. Completely false.
 
This trade doesn't make sense for the Cavs. First off Grant always wants to come out on top and with this trade the Cavs would be doing the opposite. The Cavs would have little to none veteran leadership without AV and they would get the worse players in the deal. D-Williams wouldn't have even been a top 10 pick this year.
 
If a four-way trade were to go down, I would imagine it would be like this:

Lakers get: Dwight Howard, Quentin Richardson
Timberwolves get: Anderson Varejao, Andrew Goudelock, LAL second-round pick
Magic get: Pau Gasol, Tyler Zeller, CLE first round pick in '13, MIN second-round pick in '13, CLE second-round pick in '13, Devin Ebanks, Dante Cunningham, cash
Cavs get: Andrew Bynum, Derrick Williams

That is somewhat fair for everyone. The Magic are getting the shortest straw, but they're gonna have to cave sometime. Let's take a look how much this elevates each team.

Minnesota:
PG Rubio
SG Roy
SF Kirilenko
PF Love
C Varejao

With a pretty solid bench, this looks like a 45-47 win team, good enough for a 7th or 8th seed in the West playoffs.

Lakers:
PG Nash
SG Bryant
SF: Richardson/World Peace
PF: Jamison
C: Howard

Definitely a top-tier playoff team, but a strongly offensive minded team with the departures of both Gasol and Bynum. If Nash and Howard can both stay healthy, then this is easily a 50-60 win team.

Magic:
PG: Nelson
SG: Richardson
SF: Turkoglu
PF: Gasol
C: Zeller

Without Dwight, this team is not a contender. I feel like they are so adament about not turning into the Cavs or Raptors after a star departs, and want to remain relevant AKA treadmill it up. The acquisition of Gasol and Zeller is a decent enough pickup to keep them from a top-five pick, which might be a bad thing for them in the long run. 25-35 win team...

Cavs:
PG: Irving
SG: Waiters
SF: Williams
PF: Thompson
C: Bynum

Bench:
PG: Pargo, Gibson, Sloan
SG: Miles, Azubuike, Gibson
SF: Gee, Miles, Casspi
PF: Leuer, Samuels, Walton
C: Leuer, Samuels

The frontcourt depth thins, but the starting lineup VASTLY improves. Irving and Bynum would both likely be allstars next season, and Williams and Waiters could chip in 15-20 pts/game when needed. Thompson could provide elite defense, and the Cavs would absolutely make the playoffs, and maybe be a fairly high seed. While I would like this trade to go down, I would still feel that we are two solid pieces away from contender. An Irving-Waiters-Williams-Thompson-Bynum starting lineup would result in 45-50 wins, good enough for 5-6 in the East.
 
D-WAIT3 said:
@Sam The Bullshit Whisperer ‏Not sure why I keep getting asked about this Timberwolves-Cavs trade rumor, but there's nothing at all to it. Completely false.
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If Lloyd tweets this trade is being discussed, we are officially in bizarro world.
 
The last multi-team trade involving the Timberwolves was in 2006, in the trade that eventually landed Brandon Roy in Portland. Why?

Let's say you are at a party, having a good time, and the girl you know is semi-retarded starts hitting on you. Do you tell everyone else? No, you either walk away or you keep the transaction to yourself.

This will be a two team trade or no trade at all.
 
warddj86 said:
If a four-way trade were to go down, I would imagine it would be like
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Lakers aren't trading Gasol and the Magic have no need for Gasol in their rebuild.
 
I'm in. I'd rather have a talent on his upswing than a good player who will be on a steady downward trajectory when the Cavs need him to be good.
 
There will likely be no 4 way trade and sending Pau Gasol to the Magic is never going to happen. The Magic want to tank, not be a borderline playoff team like Memphis was when they had Pau.
 
SRStark20 said:
On topic here, I don't really see what value that Williams has with the Cavaliers either. We have our PF for the future in Thompson.

Only reason I'd take on this deal is that it gives us a... halfway decent backup PG in Ridnour, and that we could use Williams in trades down the line. Hell, maybe getting Williams and shipping him to Orlando could make a huge difference in the Bynum/Howard deal.
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The play would not be to acquire then trade DW....acquiring DW would allow Cavs to trade TT in a Bynum deal. Bynum and DW could co-exist, IMO, better then a AB-TT tandum. DW would stretch and open up space for AB.

Opinons---Which is better tandum....AB/DW, or AB/TT ?
 
I like AB+TT over AB+DW right now. I think Thompson does not need the ball to be effective, and with the focus on Bynum, TT can be free to cleanup the glass. Plus, we would have legit post defenders, which should make life that much easier for our wings. Williams's offense would be nice, but I would expect our wings and Bynum to do the bulk of the scoring.
 
mcfly said:
I like AB+TT over AB+DW right now. I think Thompson does not need the ball to be effective, and with the focus on Bynum, TT can be free to cleanup the glass. Plus, we would have legit post defenders, which should make life that much easier for our wings. Williams's offense would be nice, but I would expect our wings and Bynum to do the bulk of the scoring.
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I agree with this.

With Irving and Bynum, we have two players capable of scoring 20+ PPG a year. Neither of them have done it yet, but I bet they both easily could.

Waiters is coming in as a scorer as well. I'd rather have the combination of TT's defense and rebounding over more offense.
 
warddj86 said:
If a four-way trade were to go down, I would imagine it would be like this:

Lakers get: Dwight Howard, Quentin Richardson
Timberwolves get: Anderson Varejao, Andrew Goudelock, LAL second-round pick
Magic get: Pau Gasol, Tyler Zeller, CLE first round pick in '13, MIN second-round pick in '13, CLE second-round pick in '13, Devin Ebanks, Dante Cunningham, cash
Cavs get: Andrew Bynum, Derrick Williams

That is somewhat fair for everyone. The Magic are getting the shortest straw, but they're gonna have to cave sometime. Let's take a look how much this elevates each team.

Minnesota:
PG Rubio
SG Roy
SF Kirilenko
PF Love
C Varejao

With a pretty solid bench, this looks like a 45-47 win team, good enough for a 7th or 8th seed in the West playoffs.

Lakers:
PG Nash
SG Bryant
SF: Richardson/World Peace
PF: Jamison
C: Howard

Definitely a top-tier playoff team, but a strongly offensive minded team with the departures of both Gasol and Bynum. If Nash and Howard can both stay healthy, then this is easily a 50-60 win team.

Magic:
PG: Nelson
SG: Richardson
SF: Turkoglu
PF: Gasol
C: Zeller

Without Dwight, this team is not a contender. I feel like they are so adament about not turning into the Cavs or Raptors after a star departs, and want to remain relevant AKA treadmill it up. The acquisition of Gasol and Zeller is a decent enough pickup to keep them from a top-five pick, which might be a bad thing for them in the long run. 25-35 win team...

Cavs:
PG: Irving
SG: Waiters
SF: Williams
PF: Thompson
C: Bynum

Bench:
PG: Pargo, Gibson, Sloan
SG: Miles, Azubuike, Gibson
SF: Gee, Miles, Casspi
PF: Leuer, Samuels, Walton
C: Leuer, Samuels

The frontcourt depth thins, but the starting lineup VASTLY improves. Irving and Bynum would both likely be allstars next season, and Williams and Waiters could chip in 15-20 pts/game when needed. Thompson could provide elite defense, and the Cavs would absolutely make the playoffs, and maybe be a fairly high seed. While I would like this trade to go down, I would still feel that we are two solid pieces away from contender. An Irving-Waiters-Williams-Thompson-Bynum starting lineup would result in 45-50 wins, good enough for 5-6 in the East.
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How is that fair? Everyone gets screwed except the Cavs whom gets way too much.
 
ricezilla said:
How is that fair? Everyone gets screwed except the Cavs whom gets way too much.
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How is everyone getting screwed? The Magic are the only ones who get a shabby deal imo. Minnesota would be in the playoffs with that lineup, the Lakers would be title contenders, and the Cavs are in the playoffs as well.
 
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