Star Wars 8: The Last Jedi

[gourimoko]

How come? Not a big enough fan to know his age, but I thought he was up there. Would rather he die in interesting fashion, then just wither away alone on some island.

Because I don't trust Disney to do it correctly; and Luke Skywalker was a hero of mine growing up as a kid...

Secondly, who exactly is supposed to kill Luke? He's not old enough to just get murdered given his ability with the Force.

Obi-Wan went up against Darth Vader, whom he couldn't handle, and he allowed himself to die rather than retreat, because he knew Luke would use his death coupled with the death of his parents as a reason to commit to becoming a Jedi, trained under Yoda.

In Luke's case; who in the galaxy can kill him in a direct confrontation? It damn sure isn't Kylo Ren. And if Snoke could do it, he wouldn't be hiding in the shadows. So the only other way to do it would be him essentially sacrificing himself; but again, for what?

I'd rather Luke just walk off gracefully into the sunset rather than getting murdered.

It's very much like the ending of Return of the Jedi. Rather than Lando getting killed within the Second Death Star as an ultimate sacrifice, he survives at the last second. It's one of the highlights of the entire trilogy. He walked off into the sunset, as did the rest of the characters.

These guys weren't supposed to end up as failures... Abrams just pushed a reset button by eliminating the accomplishments of all the characters.

And beyond that, honestly, I feel like if they're going to kill of Luke Skywalker then George Lucas should be consulted on the decision, how it should be handled, etc. It shouldn't be up to Rian Johnson and Disney to just kill off the most beloved Star Wars character, the lead character, of the franchise -- just to make a movie. There's other ways of making the film.

Lastly, Luke should be building a New Jedi Order; not getting laced. That was the original intent of Ep.7. I get that's the backstory of TFA, but to not have Luke in Ep.7 at all, then to kill him off in Ep.8 would be total bullshit....

I'd just give up on the franchise completely.

 

[bigfoot5415]

I'd rather Luke just walk off gracefully into the sunset rather than getting murdered.

So do you want another Yub Nub ending?

 

[-Akronite-]

Not every character has to die in some big meaningful way. There's no reason they need to kill off Luke. Yoda just wasted away at home basically, having given the last of himself to Luke to carry on the Jedi tradition.

Story-wise I'm not thrilled with the overall direction of undoing the good accomplished in the OT. Basically Luke tried and failed, he needs redemption and I'd prefer if he gets to sail off into the sun with that redemption rather than doing another Han Solo.

EDIT: I wrote that before seeing Gouri use a similar "sun" reasoning. Yup. Don't kill my hero for cheap emotional manipulation to validate a new story. DO SOMETHING CREATIVE.

 

[gourimoko]

I am starting to think her parents are nobody important or that she is either a descendant of either Obi Wan or Palpatine. But I also think there has to be a young Skywalker to survive to be the main protagonist of the next trilogy, and that would point to Rey being a Skywalker, so who knows.

I think the whole lightsaber plot device wouldn't make sense if she wasn't Luke's daughter.. I mean, what exactly would be the point of any of it? You can just build a lightsaber. So there must be some deeper familial meaning behind it, right?

Are you against killing Luke under all circumstances? I have to think there are certain ways that a Luke death could serve the story.

I'm not against it in all circumstances; but I have a really hard time trusting Disney with killing off Luke; so much so, that I'm opposed to the process of developing out such a story. If they could pull it off, great, but nothing they've done with TFA (or Marvel) gives me any reason to trust them with doing something like that.

 

[gourimoko]

So do you want another Yub Nub ending?

Compared to how TFA ended? Hell yea. ROTJ was fucking awesome.

 

[bigfoot5415]

Compared to how TFA ended? Hell yea. ROTJ was fucking awesome.

Do you want old Anakin or young screaming pussy Anakin in your ending?

 

[col63onel]

I think the whole lightsaber plot device wouldn't make sense if she wasn't Luke's daughter.. I mean, what exactly would be the point of any of it? You can just build a lightsaber. So there must be some deeper familial meaning behind it, right?

All good points. Possibility is that she's just massively force sensitive/important and that's how the Force works in here.

If Luke was her father, why did he leave her on Jakku with Unkar Plot? And why at such a young age (and the books show that she was left there before Ben Skywalker turned)? Did he not know about her?

The evidence is just all over the place, I am having a hard time guessing what the right answer is.

 

[gourimoko]

Do you want old Anakin or young screaming pussy Anakin in your ending?

Old Anakin... Hayden didn't make sense in the edit; like why is he young now, he died an old man...

I'm thinking we'll see Force Ghosts and shit in the latest film; and given what they did with Rogue One, I'd actually REALLY like to see them do something similar for Sebastian Shaw as Anakin Skywalker.. I don't think it would make sense to have Luke talking to Hayden Christensen unless you made him much older with makeup/etc.

 

[gourimoko]

All good points. Possibility is that she's just massively force sensitive/important and that's how the Force works in here.

Indeed, places and things can be (and are) imbued with the Force; but why that lightsaber in particular? And why would it have special meaning for Rey?

If Luke was her father, why did he leave her on Jakku with Unkar Plot? And why at such a young age (and the books show that she was left there before Ben Skywalker turned)? Did he not know about her?

Maybe he knew that Snoke and the Knights of Ren were coming? Maybe he had a premonition and needed to get her to safety before the impending battle? Maybe he stopped trusting Ben at a certain point (if he behaved anything like Jacen, he may have shown a fascination with Vader and the opposing side of the Force; so this might make more sense).

But I've always envisioned him leaving her there to protect her.

And remember, Jakku was initially Tatooine. So the story originally had Rey being taken to Tatooine and left there; Jakku was just Abrams way of not borrowing too much from A New Hope, but, if we're breaking down the story, Jakku is simply a functional replacement for Tatooine.

The evidence is just all over the place, I am having a hard time guessing what the right answer is.

I can't understand Obi-Wan having a child, I never thought that'd make sense.. I mean, when did it happen and why? Jedi's don't have sex, and Obi-Wan was brought up in and consistently faithful to the Jedi Order. I suppose it could have happened some time on Tatooine, but, Rey is 19 years old in TFA. Obi-Wan has been dead for what, 34-35 years? ... Makes no sense, how could she be Obi-Wan's daughter, you know what I mean?

Palpatine died 30 years prior to TFA, so, again, too long before Rey was born.

If her parents aren't force users, why does she show greater force sensitivity than Kylo Ren, a Skywalker and grandson of the Force incarnate?

To me, it only makes sense if she's a Skywalker.

Han and Leia obviously know her. Han wants her to come with him, seemingly taking her under his wing. He gives her a look like he really cares about her well being, almost paternally, which would make a great deal of sense if he was her uncle. Leia's hug at the end, with lack of dialogue between the two suggests they've reconnected and recognize one another; Leia likely told Rey the truth before she left. It doesn't seem like that's her daughter, but instead her niece; and she's the one to embark on the journey to find not only Luke, but her long-lost father.

Leia's reaction, crying, at the end of the film, strongly suggests she knows exactly who Luke Skywalker is. Why else would she be so emotional? Why else go alone?

It's the only story possibility that makes sense without introducing a radical tangent.

 

[macbdog]

My brother and bro in law have the best theory: Rey is Kylos sister. Kylo goes Dark Side because his sister is superior in the Force and had passed him. After Kylo betrayed him, Luke himself goes Dark Side to save Rey and mind wiped everyone about Reys existence, including Rey. It is why everyone thinks they know her but can't place it. Then she was left on Jakku with the Millenium Falcon as payment to watch her. Having betrayed his oath as a Jedi, Luke goes into exile. It also explains why Rey has saber skills- she simply doesn't remember her training earlier in life.

 

[Adam]

It's the only story possibility that makes sense without introducing a radical tangent.

Yeah but it is jj abrams so for all we know he might have forced some stupid twist on to rian Johnson

 

[gourimoko]

Yeah but it is jj abrams so for all we know he might have forced some stupid twist on to rian Johnson

That's what I'm afraid of.

 

[macbdog]

Now, my theory is that her and Finn are actually twins from a fling between Lando and Leia when Han was off galavanting around. Leia gives them up adoption after Han storms out of the delivery room. It's why everyone, esp Han and Leia, act so damn awkard around them and won't say shit. They bone near the beginning of this next movie, making the end reveal hella awkward.

 

[col63onel]

It's the only story possibility that makes sense without introducing a radical tangent.

I would only say it depends on what you mean by "radical".

Obi-Wan had parents and possibly brothers and sisters which is the workaround to Kenobi never having a child of his own. Also, in the Clone Wars, he had a pseudo relationship with a character named Duchess Satine (never watched the show). People have speculated they had a secret child, and that child is Rey's mother or father. Those could be "radical", or with some deft writing, could seem plausible.

Same idea for Palpatine. Obviously Rey was born after Palpatine died, but who knows what freaky stuff Palptine got into on the side?

I do think Lucasfilm is smart in keeping the question open, because it lends itself to fans discussing it all year round. However, maybe they left it too ambiguous to the point where there will be too many holes regardless of how they answer it.

 

[gourimoko]

I would only say it depends on what you mean by "radical".

Obi-Wan had parents and possibly brothers and sisters which is the workaround to Kenobi never having a child of his own. Also, in the Clone Wars, he had a pseudo relationship with a character named Duchess Satine (never watched the show). People have speculated they had a secret child, and that child is Rey's mother or father. Those could be "radical", or with some deft writing, could seem plausible.

Same idea for Palpatine. Obviously Rey was born after Palpatine died, but who knows what freaky stuff Palptine got into on the side?

I do think Lucasfilm is smart in keeping the question open, because it lends itself to fans discussing it all year round. However, maybe they left it too ambiguous to the point where there will be too many holes regardless of how they answer it.

Do the timelines work, I mean chronologically speaking, for Obi-Wan or Palpatine given Rey is 19 in 34 ABY and Obi-Wan died prior to 1 ABY and Palpatine died in 4 ABY? Seems like there's too much of a time gap here for it to make sense, no? Otherwise Rey would need to be at least 30 years old, if not in her mid-40s (younger Obi-Wan / Palpatine), and, she's clearly not.

It seems the only original trilogy characters young enough to have her as their offspring would be Luke/Leia/Han, right?