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The 2013 NBA Finals Thread (Spurs vs Heat)

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Who will win the NBA Finals?


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Don't see how the Spurs who almost tilted against a bunch of young perimeter athletes in GSW will be able to handle Lebron.

Look for MIA to try and get their shooters going next, and if it happens, SAS is in for a long series as they don't have the speed (their core) to make the rotations. I want to see how Pop can mix and match his role players (young and athletic, but dumb) and his core (old, slow but smart) to get what he needs out of every unit.

That being said I can see most games coming down to the wire with the team having the best crunch time lineup (least liabilities, on both ends of the floor), taking the games.

Not to be combative, but that is kind of a fools argument. Golden State is a "fun and gun" team. They jack up shots with a nose hair of space. Miami's discipline and "eastern conference mentality" actually play very well into San Antonio's favor. I think Miami's athleticism obviously favors them, but Miami is very much a half court team in the playoffs. Crazy athleticism is nullified in half court games. Don't get me wrong, these games will be more open than the Bulls or Pacers series, but playoff basketball is a different animal. San Antonio isn't going to let Miami beat them in an open court game. They didn't let Golden State do that either and that's all they wanted to do.

San Antonio will be very protective of fast break opportunities for Miami (Spurs will not hit offensive glass like Indiana did) and they'll be exceptionally selective in how they push. San Antonio will secondary break all day long but they arent going to force tempo at all.
 
Miami is also pretty much 30+ years old outside of Lebron, Cole and Chalmers. Much different than that young Warriors team.

Having said that, I can't help but consider the Heat the favorites. Maybe it's my sports pessimism? Or maybe it's that the Heat are the defending champs with the best player in the league & home court advantage? I'll go with Heat in 7 (I'd also pick Heat in 6 as more likely than Spurs winning the series).
 
Not to be combative, but that is kind of a fools argument. Golden State is a "fun and gun" team. They jack up shots with a nose hair of space. Miami's discipline and "eastern conference mentality" actually play very well into San Antonio's favor. I think Miami's athleticism obviously favors them, but Miami is very much a half court team in the playoffs. Crazy athleticism is nullified in half court games. Don't get me wrong, these games will be more open than the Bulls or Pacers series, but playoff basketball is a different animal. San Antonio isn't going to let Miami beat them in an open court game. They didn't let Golden State do that either and that's all they wanted to do.

You made some good points, but the bolded is not true whatsoever. Lebron can still take it to the rim at will after a hand off at the top of the key, or coming off a screen. So can Wade, when his not coasting, hurt, or whatever. This penetration is what drives their offense and gets looks for the shooters (See Haslem's big two games), free throw drawing, etc.

I don't think the only legitimate center SAS has (Duncan) will be able to have the same impact Hibbert (dude was playing at an MVP level) just did against the Heat.
 
Between the two teams, the Spurs had to beat better teams, and did so easier.

Now, that doesn't really mean anything,

Indeed, it doesn't, as I was saying the exact same thing last year about OKC. :(
 
I'm not saying the refs are biased but Duncan already has 3 fouls in the Game 1 brochure.
 
Don't see how the Spurs who almost tilted against a bunch of young perimeter athletes in GSW will be able to handle Lebron.

Look for MIA to try and get their shooters going next, and if it happens, SAS is in for a long series as they don't have the speed (their core) to make the rotations. I want to see how Pop can mix and match his role players (young and athletic, but dumb) and his core (old, slow but smart) to get what he needs out of every unit.

That being said I can see most games coming down to the wire with the team having the best crunch time lineup (least liabilities, on both ends of the floor), taking the games.

Most sound analysis on the thread in light of how people are talking up Kawhi Leonard to a ridiculous point. At the end of the series, regardless of the outcome, I just don't see Leonard's numbers being anywhere comparable to Paul George's on Lebron. Lebron will get his on anyone the Spurs throw at him, and I agree shooters and the Heat supporting cast will make the difference. I also think that Parker is a big X factor because his penetration is a weakness for the Heat. Duncan will also be solid. I am not sure that any team was as prepared to handle the Heat athletically as the Pacers and we see how that turned out. I have the Heat in 6, but I will gladly eat crow. I just don't see it for this Spurs team, especially with the Heat home court advantage.
 
I feel like Ginobli is the most crucial player in this series. If he is balling, it will be tough for the Heat to win. But if he is struggling, it may look like the Thunder all over again. I know there is a lot more factors that come into than that, but Ginobli's play is huge imo.
 
How is San Antonio's second team? The Pacers failed quite miserably when they had to give starters rest
 
How is San Antonio's second team? The Pacers failed quite miserably when they had to give starters rest

Pretty solid.

Ginobili
Diaw
Bonner
Neal
Corey Joseph

and dont be surprised if Dejaun Blair finds his way on the floor because of the Heats lack of interior D.
 
Thought this was pretty good from Grantland: (breaking down the Finals)

The Fans

Heat fans. If you're dealing with a Heat fan from somewhere other than Florida, there's a good chance you've encountered the worst kind of front-runner on earth, as well as the target demographic for Axe body spray. If you're dealing with a Heat fan from Miami, there's a decent chance that person has been party to some form of financial fraud in recent years, and is also the target demographic for Axe body spray. Neither group watched Heat games three years ago, and they all think that (a) LeBron James is better than Michael Jordan, and (b) Drake's new album is so swag. In general: A LOT of Heat fans are Justin Bieber, but only one of them is actually Justin Bieber.
 
It's Pops v. LeBron.

The Spurs have all the right tools but Miami has LeBron. I think after last years championship LeBron is not afraid of any moment and will completely dominate this series. Heat in 5.
 
Choose Spurs in six...

Wishful thinking.







It could happen.
 
One off topic comment about LeBron James, people thought his ultimate evolution would be to become a post up player, and that's somewhat true, but I have another theory.

Was talking to some people at work today and we were discussing Indiana's inability to consistently get Roy Hibbert the ball over the top. Hibbert was calling for the ball with deep post position, and Indiana appeared to be scared to throw him the ball because of Miami's athletes.

I think there's a way to get him the ball over the top of Miami's defense, it's just a tough pass to make, but back in the day I think teams understood exactly how to make that pass over the top into the post, where your guy has position sealed on the defender, one power dribble for him and a layup.


When you have a great athlete like LeBron calling for the ball in the post, just lob it up in his general direction. If you toss it high enough, he'll be the only one who could grab the entry pass up there.

I have always thought LeBron is too big physically to be a deceptive ball handler, he's too big of a target. LeBron in iso is still who he's always been. Mr. Ball Pounder. Sometimes he's spectacular, and sometimes he's very underwhelming and kills the rhythm of the game, constantly pounding it and allowing the defense to get set in position to anticipate his move.


Basically what I'm saying is that LeBron will always be best in transition. His next evolution needs to be (in the halfcourt) learning how to play without the basketball in his hands at all. The post up skills are definitely impressive, and his jump shot has really developed nice consistency too. I still think him cutting off the ball causes so much disruption, and takes up so much of the defenses attention. LeBron is best in motion, not when he's dribbling with 5 defenders staring at him. He does his best work finishing at the hoop, distributing the ball and making plays while in transition.

With his athleticism, his cuts off the ball and leg power striding off one foot is just simply too much to handle, if he knew how to utilize it properly. LeBron's going to reach his peak when he learns how to cut hard without the ball and receive the ball in places where other players simply cant. When that big body is in motion, it's awfully hard to deal with, but it's also because LeBron reacts, when he reacts, he often makes the proper play. When LeBron pounds it at the top of the key and forces something, it doesn't work to his advantage.
 
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