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I'd say Miami played prevent defense in the 2nd half that allowed Hoyer to collect himself.
Hoyer didn't have a good first half, but were we are still blaming everything that happens in a football game on the QB.
Honestly, I'm surprised you're surprised. There aren't many people out there willing to listen to reason after a loss. Or after a win. As a society, people like low hanging fruit.
I completely agree, but Miami's ability to score at will, both in the air and on the ground, had whipped the crowd in a frenzy in the first half. Had the Texans done anything defensively, his half would have looked more like Phillip Rivers or Andrew Luck's cluncker first halves. Hoyer didn't have a good first half, but were we are still blaming everything that happens in a football game on the QB.
Well, let's pretend that an actual discussion is going to take place here rather than the usual attempts at annoying each other.
Half a game of football, carefully selected by convenient timing, doesn't tell any story about Brian Hoyer or any player for that matter. It tells the story of a few Browns fans who had seen enough of Todd Gurley running amok on the overrated Browns defense one afternoon that they sought some solace in a former Brown's quarterback's struggles.
If we were to look at the roughest half for most every QB not named Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers this season, they have all had at least one terrible half.
So this is week 8, we don't need to extrapolate small sample sizes anymore. Hoyer has played 1 1/2 bad games. He has played 3 1/2 good games. His stats per game this season rank him below the top 10 quarterbacks and somewhere in that 11-20 range. I'd expect that due to injuries and his "hot and cold" style of paly, he ends up somewhere in the 15-25 range by the end of the season.
This is exactly what we saw last year as a Brown. He is a pro-style quarterback in his prime who doesn't make the kind of mistakes you see from guys who can't make NFL throws, however he has more bad Sundays where nothing is clocking than the top 10 type QBs in the circle of trust. Can he pass to a receiver who is "college open"? Yes, fairly consistently. Does he pass to a receiver who is "NFL open", meaning the receiver needs to break at the right time in tight coverage? About half the Sundays I've seen, he does and the other half he doesn't. Does he handle pressure? Not as well as Brady and Rodgers, but not as poorly as several QBs starting right now.
He's in the lower-middle of starters, just like he is paid to be.
So, simple statements like "He may not be good" don't speak to the scarcity of "good" quarterbacks, in the subjective opinion of a few people. He's a bridge QB who has uneven Sundays, just like many, many other QBs in this league.
Saying he doesn't handle pressure as well as Brady or Rodgers may be obvious, but I'd stop short of saying "several."
Of 30 QBs eligible to qualify, Hoyer's tied for 29th in dropbacks affected by pressure (just 26%). Now I know there has been insinuated on here that the offensive line has been a major culprit during his struggles, however this would lead me to believe that statement is slightly incorrect.
When pressured, Hoyer ranks 27th in completion percentage. If you take away drops and throw aways, he's actually 29th (accuracy % under pressure).
Too small of a sample size?
Let's dive into 2014 as well...
Hoyer ranked 20th of 27 eligible QBs by being pressured on just 29% of his dropbacks.
While pressured, he was tied for 24th in completion percentage. If you take away drops and throw aways, he once again got worse and ranked 26th out of 27 eligible QBs (50.5%).
When people say he handles the pressure better than several of the QBs starting in the NFL today, I find myself asking questions like, "Who?" and "Why is that person starting?"
I may never find the answers, neither may the Browns....but I long for a day when we no longer have these discussions of debating the merits of bridge QBs whose dreams of NFL glory will soon be lost to reality.
Let's dive into 2014 as well...
Hoyer ranked 20th of 27 eligible QBs by being pressured on just 29% of his dropbacks.
While pressured, he was tied for 24th in completion percentage. If you take away drops and throw aways, he once again got worse and ranked 26th out of 27 eligible QBs (50.5%)....
When people say he handles the pressure better than several of the QBs starting in the NFL today, I find myself asking questions like, "Who?" and "Why is that person starting?"
Well, that's all very nice, but aren't you overlooking one key fact?
He may have ranked 24th in completion percentage when pressured in 2014, but he was 32nd in overall completion percentage. In other words, as shitty as his relative accuracy is under pressure, it's even shittier when he's not under pressure.
So, you could actually make the case that he's great (at least if graded on the Hoyer curve) under pressure! Doesn't help much if you're looking for a QB with decent accuracy, but at least it's something.
Sort of, anyway....