The Capricious Non partisan Government Arbitrary Action thread.

[gourimoko]

Depends. If Comey found evidence that Trump colluded with Russia, or at least knew people on his team did and did nothing, and then Trump fired him to cover it up, I'd say that's certainly impeachable.

Regardless, it's just a really bad look and reeks of a cover up to fire the person currently investigating you.

CNN reporting that FBI was preparing a potential indictment against Michael Flynn.

CNN:
Federal prosecutors have issued grand jury subpoenas to associates of former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn seeking business records, as part of the ongoing probe of Russian meddling in last year's election, according to people familiar with the matter. CNN learned of the subpoenas hours before President Donald Trump fired FBI director James Comey.

 

[czvo]

But the thing is, Trump is stupid... he's also incredibly vindictive. And he HAS surrounded himself with, if not evil, a lot of downright hateful people.

Look, until 2015, I didn't really get into politics. I was probably like most people in that I had a passing interest to know the basics to stay somewhat informed. It wasn't until Trump got involved that my bullshit detector kicked into gear and told me something wasn't right here. For whatever reason, he was able to dupe 60+ million people into voting for him.

To try and turn this into a "gotta hear both sides" argument in any way, shape, or form is disingenuous and dangerous. There's shit on both sides that I don't agree with, and, yes, there seems to be far more on the right than the left. But this isn't a right or left issue. This is an America issue. To this point, a majority of Republicans, for whatever reason, have rolled over. They can't anymore, or we are done.

 

[gourimoko]

I mean, they had to know this would look horrible? I just don't see the play here. It's like the Browns front office up there.

That's the thing..

They had to have known, and they did it anyway.

 

[czvo]

That's the thing..

They had to have known, and they did it anyway.

That's what happens in authoritarian states, man. They know they've got you by the balls.

I would highly recommend people follow Sarah Kendzior on Twitter. She's been studying and writing about authoritarian states for years, and she's been dead on balls accurate about everything regarding Trump, his campaign, election and aftermath.

 

[Tornicade]

The problem with "right move/wrong reasons" is that it stymies the FBI's potential to conduct their ongoing investigation, and throws that investigation to Congress; which has stated that it cannot conduct such an investigation because the committees don't have the necessary resources.

So now we either give up on the prospect of having a real investigation; have an investigation conducted by a Trump 'stooge;' or we appoint a special prosecutor.

If it turns out that Trump fired the Director for reasons relating to the investigation, as it seems may be the case given his legalese in the Comey letter; then that would be an impeachable offense in itself. It would amount to obstruction of justice, similar to Nixon's firing of Archibald Cox which was cited in the Articles of Impeachment against Nixon..

Well the articles are already coming out that the basis for the AG recommendation was on how the Clinton investigation was handled.
so Comey has given them enough ammunition that it would be easy for the trump administration to base the decision upon a review of how the Clinton investigation was handled.

It wouldn't surprise me if a Trump stooge could oversee a more competent investigation than Comey but I really doubt A special prosecutor isnt selected.

Comey withheld important information regarding the Trump campaign staff while at the same time misleading the public about the Clinton investigation.

 

[czvo]

Well the articles are already coming out that the basis for the AG recommendation was on how the Clinton investigation was handled.
so Comey has given them enough ammunition that it would be easy for the trump administration to base the decision upon a review of how the Clinton investigation was handled.

It wouldn't surprise me if a Trump stooge could oversee a more competent investigation than Comey but I really doubt A special prosecutor isnt selected.

Comey withheld important information regarding the Trump campaign staff while at the same time misleading the public about the Clinton investigation.

I would bet everything I own that Trump putting his own guy in means the investigation gets closed.

 

[Rich]

So, passive-aggressiveness is your answer?



Then why are you so defensive and passive aggressive? Why not acknowledge that it's a problem that Trump is exacerbating? Why try and play this "gotcha" game if that's what you're trying to avoid?

Also, the Deputy AG's letter is not a solid case. He presented no new information and cites something that Trump and Sessions (who didn't recuse himself, I guess) praised Comey for. Despite no new information and Trump being in office for months, this is justification for firing....in the middle of an investigation? That's well laid out?

Ugh, no dude. You tried to pull the whole "well then let me tell you what you should really be mad" about card, and it seemed more than appropriate to inform you that I, indeed, have voiced my displeasure about those things. Should I not have told you that?

Look, its the easiest thing in the world to just play follow the leader and get worked up into the mob riot and just agree, agree, agree.

There was new information. Read the letter again. He specifically points out that the reason Comey needs to go is because of his inability to acknowledge the error of his ways which was on display, at the hearings, just last week. That's why the Deupty said he should be fired. Because, after that, he can't be trusted to enact the necessary to reforms to ensure those mistakes dont happen again.

 

[Rich]

But the thing is, Trump is stupid... he's also incredibly vindictive. And he HAS surrounded himself with, if not evil, a lot of downright hateful people.

Look, until 2015, I didn't really get into politics. I was probably like most people in that I had a passing interest to know the basics to stay somewhat informed. It wasn't until Trump got involved that my bullshit detector kicked into gear and told me something wasn't right here. For whatever reason, he was able to dupe 60+ million people into voting for him.

To try and turn this into a "gotta hear both sides" argument in any way, shape, or form is disingenuous and dangerous. There's shit on both sides that I don't agree with, and, yes, there seems to be far more on the right than the left. But this isn't a right or left issue. This is an America issue. To this point, a majority of Republicans, for whatever reason, have rolled over. They can't anymore, or we are done.

Well I tried. I should frame this post in my house as my reason for growing less interested in politics. Other side evil. My side good. Everyone fight.

At least there's some, small introspection here, I think.

 

[David.]

Well I tried. I should frame this post in my house as my reason for growing less interested in politics. Other side evil. My side good. Everyone fight.

At least there's some, small introspection here, I think.

Hearing both sides of an argument is dangerous, we can't keep trying to pull that shit

 

[col63onel]

Ugh, no dude. You tried to pull the whole "well then let me tell you what you should really be mad" about card, and it seemed more than appropriate to inform you that I, indeed, have voiced my displeasure about those things. Should I not have told you that?

There's a way to do it.

The election thread is literally over 1000 pages. I don't know what everybody said in every post in that thread.

Saying something like "I understand your argument, but this has been addressed multiple times in another thread" is a much better way of handling this. Instead, you went the passive aggressive route. Why do that?

Look, its the easiest thing in the world to just play follow the leader and get worked up into the mob riot and just agree, agree, agree.

What?

There was new information. Read the letter again. He specifically points out that the reason Comey needs to go is because of his inability to acknowledge the error of his ways which was on display, at the hearings, just last week. That's why the Deupty said he should be fired. Because, after that, he can't be trusted to enact the necessary to reforms to ensure those mistakes dont happen again.

It's a 13 paragraph letter (if we count the 2nd last paragraph, which is one sentence), of which the 5 paragraph talks about the hearing. And it was only a few sentences on the hearing. The vast majority of the letter referenced the July 28th hearing and the October 28th letter. Those what were "specifically" pointed out. The hearings are little more than a footnote.

 

[czvo]

Well I tried. I should frame this post in my house as my reason for growing less interested in politics. Other side evil. My side good. Everyone fight.

At least there's some, small introspection here, I think.

Yep. That was the point of my post. Nailed it.

 

[gourimoko]

The Deputy AG just got confirmed two weeks ago. If you haven't already, read his letter to Trump as to why Comey needed to go. Its well reasoned.

I.. dunno about it being well reasoned after reading it a few times.

At this point, in my view, it seems somewhat contradictory in it's logic and seems to be in search of a rationale to dismiss the President (which, is in line with what's being reported that the AG was tasked to find a rational basis upon which to fire Comey).

That coupled with the largest and most important factor in any assessment as to whether or not the Director should be dismissed - the investigation into the President - is not contained in this logical reasoning.

It seems concocted to me personally, even one agrees that there was a time for the President (Obama) to dismiss Comey for his actions regarding the Clinton email scandal. But the problem here is that the Administration embraced Comey coming into office and gave their full confidence behind him, as did the Congressional GOP leadership; and we've learned now that the President's campaign is under FBI investigation. This changes the dynamic, which is what is being missed in the deputy AG's analysis here.

Anyway, that's Trumps cover for why it happened right now.

Agreed.

His AG recused himself from the situation, and his deputy AG was just confirmed, and it was on his advice he decides to let Comey go.

And as you said..that's Trump's cover for why it happened.. right now.

 

[col63onel]

His AG recused himself from the situation

Except he also wrote a letter about firing Comey.

 

[Rich]

Yep. That was the point of my post. Nailed it.

It may have not been your point, but its what you ultimately said.

 

[David.]

Yep. That was the point of my post. Nailed it.

I got "trump is stupid and people that voted for him are stupid and republicans just roll over". What kind of response do you expect to receive?

That isnt a conversation. Asking for a middle ground and then receiving a grounded answer, and then reply back "na he's gotta die, youre lost" is crazy bro.