The Jarvis Landry Thread: Bless 'Em

[Soda]

Hes not really a good slot WR.

Especially when he is the 7th highest paid WR in the NFL.

But, if you'd actually read the story, you'd see that he didn't spend a ton of time lined-up in the slot this year.

I'm not saying he's Jerry Rice. I'm saying he's absolutely worth it for the Browns right now. Shoot, he may not even be here in 2020, but he'll still be worth it.

 

[FiveThous]

He spent training camp and half the season working under trash coaching. He was one of the guys at the helm of changing the attitude and culture of this organization. Also we have a billion dollars in cap space and we can get out of his deal pretty easily if the time comes when we need to create cap room.

I’d like to see him improve upon this year in season 2 with the Browns too. But I don’t understand how anyone could be that opposed to Landry right now unless they dislike him on a personal level for some reason.

It's been 5 years, how many more years are we going to pretend that Jarvis has been held back by poor coaching, qb play, or whatever other excuses you can come up. He is what he is, nothing more than a decent secondary option in an offense that coaches are PRAYING gets overrated in house because he's not going to beat them if he's targeted in the double digits every week.

 

[Soda]

It's been 5 years, how many more years are we going to pretend that Jarvis has been held back by poor coaching, qb play, or whatever other excuses you can come up. He is what he is, nothing more than a decent secondary option in an offense that coaches are PRAYING gets overrated in house because he's not going to beat them if he's targeted in the double digits every week.

He's got 4 pro-bowls in those 5 seasons. How long are we going to pretend that he's not good?

 

[Jordan]

Ahh. We live in a world where receivers "aren't that good" when they're not "X" receivers. Fantastic.

Dude, by every metric Landry was one of the ten least efficient receivers in the NFL.

You want advanced metrics? DVOA ranks him as 44/48.

Maybe you think anybody can make fancy stats lie and just don’t understand them? Fine, he gets a horrifically low yards after the catch (3.5 YAC), drops around 5% of his targets, and only caught 45% of passes thrown to him beyond ten yards.

And, unlike Njoku, Landry was even less efficient under Kitchens.

Alright, so maybe you’re an eye-test guy? Andy Benoit - the king of the eye test - also thinks Landry is way overrated.

Like I struggle to find one area where you’ve actually substantiated your point beyond him being a good locker room guy and run blocker. I like having him and think he’ll be better next year, but he really was the definition of “average” this season.

 

[Jordan]

They track pass blocking for WRs?

Yeah - it’s a combination of if they’re used as legit pass protection as well as after the catch blocking.

 

[Soda]

Dude, by every metric Landry was one of the ten least efficient receivers in the NFL.

You want advanced metrics? DVOA ranks him as 44/48.

Maybe you think anybody can make fancy stats lie and just don’t understand them? Fine, he gets a horrifically low yards after the catch (3.5 YAC), drops around 5% of his targets, and only caught 45% of passes thrown to him beyond ten yards.

And, unlike Njoku, Landry was even less efficient under Kitchens.

Alright, so maybe you’re an eye-test guy? Andy Benoit - the king of the eye test - also thinks Landry is way overrated.

Like I struggle to find one area where you’ve actually substantiated your point beyond him being a good locker room guy and run blocker. I like having him and think he’ll be better next year, but he really was the definition of “average” this season.

When you bring-up "drops" as his weakness, it exposes the tunnel vision. Andy Benoit also said Ogbah can't play end; he's king of literally nothing.

Your last sentence says it. You're blind to that stuff because it doesn't show in his stat-line. That's fine, but it's not accurate to pretend it doesn't exist.

I'm not going to beg you to root for a Browns player. I've had enough of the nit-picking; it doesn't move the needle for me.

 

[Jordan]

When you bring-up "drops" as his weakness, it exposes the tunnel vision. Andy Benoit also said Ogbah can't play end; he's king of literally nothing.

Your last sentence says it. You're blind to that stuff because it doesn't show in his stat-line. That's fine, but it's not accurate to pretend it doesn't exist.

I'm not going to beg you to root for a Browns player. I've had enough of the nit-picking; it doesn't move the needle for me.

Ahh, so now I’m not rooting for a Browns player because I think he’s average? Thanks! I didn’t realize I wasn’t a good Browns fan!

 

[Soda]

Ahh, so now I’m not rooting for a Browns player because I think he’s average? Thanks! I didn’t realize I wasn’t a good Browns fan!

"Here's our average pro-bowler! Don't appreciate him too much!"

 

[dark2332]

They track pass blocking for WRs?

For the small handful of WR screens we run per year? Cool.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

When you bring-up "drops" as his weakness, it exposes the tunnel vision. Andy Benoit also said Ogbah can't play end; he's king of literally nothing.

Your last sentence says it. You're blind to that stuff because it doesn't show in his stat-line. That's fine, but it's not accurate to pretend it doesn't exist.

I'm not going to beg you to root for a Browns player. I've had enough of the nit-picking; it doesn't move the needle for me.

It's not nit picking. Most of these were knocks against him for years.

He was a target magnet because Gase preached anti football. He came here and has had career lows in receptions and yards while playing in his best, most efficient offense he has ever been in.

That's not a coincidence. Landry is a low risk, low reward option in the passing game.

 

[CBBI]

@Soda getting absolutely eviscerated in here

 

[Soda]

@Soda getting absolutely eviscerated in here

Yeah, I'm not all into group think. You guys can stroke in a circle about how Jarvis isn't good and get your "gotcha"s on Sundays as you painfully comb tape for Jarvis Landry missteps. He will still be worth the money. I'll be here ready to read it, but I do not think anyone here is an authority on good WRs.

 

[col63onel]

Yeah - it’s a combination of if they’re used as legit pass protection as well as after the catch blocking.

How often was he used in legit pass pro? Can't be very often.

Blocking downfield after a pass is a similar skillset to blocking on a run play. It's weird he's bad at that but good at run blocking. And that he's so bad at it that it completely counteracts a really good blocking grade.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Yeah, I'm not all into group think. You guys can stroke in a circle about how Jarvis isn't good and get your "gotcha"s on Sundays as you painfully comb tape for Jarvis Landry missteps. He will still be worth the money. I'll be here ready to read it, but I do not think anyone here is an authority on good WRs.

Lmao, that's because you cannot refute the clearly obvious stats.

 

[Soda]

Lmao, that's because you cannot refute the clearly obvious stats.

You think it's funny, I think the inability to see what I point out is pathetic. Post 243.