The Official Game of Thrones [A Song of Ice and Fire] Thread (includes spoilers)

[Jack Brickman]

I love how the first six seasons of this show took for fucking ever to get anywhere, and now we've got entire wars being won and lost within a single episode.

 

[Sebastian]

1) How did the Unsullied manage to make it all the way to Casterly Rock -and in what ships - without being sunk by Euron?

2). How did Olenna make it to Highgarden?

3) How is Euron preening in King's Landing while his ships use warp drive to get to Casterly Rock?

4). Who was defending King's Landing?

The Lannisters have lost a shit load of troops during this war, yet both they and Euron seem to have infinite men/ships.

Dunno. Just feels like the showrunners have tossed any semblance of time/distance/military continuity out the window for plot convenience, which is something GRRM really didn't do, and the show didn't do either until recently.

1) Only half of Dany's fleet was heading to Dorne, the other half was heading to the Westerlands.

2) She probably took a ship too.

3) That was physically impossible unless he wasn't at the battle.

4) Probably only a small garrison.

5) I think the reason they need Tarly and other non-Lannister bannermen is precisely because their army is much smaller than the 60,000 they had in Season 1.

My remark is that it is highly unlikely that Jaime's forces could take High Garden quickly. 500 men could hold a castle like that, sighted as beautifully as it is on top of a rocky cliff, for a long time. It is, after all, why people bothered building castles in the first place. I didn't see any siege train with that army.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

1) Only half of Dany's fleet was heading to Dorne, the other half was heading to the Westerlands.

But it's the same route. You have to pass by Dorne to get to the Westerlands by sea.

You're right about HighGarden, and the same should apply to Casterly Rock. Exactly how are you going to take that back easily with thousands of Unsullied inside?

And if Highgarden was so weak that it fell that easily, then why march down there at all, losing Casterly Rock and perhaps KL for lack of troops. If the Tyrells were so weak their castle fell that quickly, then they'd have been a joke as a field army, and not worth fighting at all.

 

[Jack Brickman]

But it's the same route. You have to pass by Dorne to get to the Westerlands by sea.

You're right about HighGarden, and the same should apply to Casterly Rock. Exactly how are you going to take that back easily with thousands of Unsullied inside?

And if Highgarden was so weak that it fell that easily, then why march down there at all, losing Casterly Rock and perhaps KL for lack of troops. If the Tyrells were so weak their castle fell that quickly, then they'd have been a joke as a field army, and not worth fighting at all.

I don't think they're worried about taking Casterly Rock back. They burned the Unsullied ships and now they can just go after Dany and force the Unsullied to move out from the castle on foot or be stranded there.

Agree about Highgarden, though. Seemed comically easy to take.

 

[Wrathe]

I thought both the attack on Highgarden and Casterly Rock each had an interesting way of telling the story of battle, and let them control the budget by not getting so into the details. I really enjoyed that episode!

 

[Rich]

This all setting up so amazingly.

Cersei is going to think she's won when Euron just pulls the rug right out from under her and does whatever the fuck he's going to do.

That said I agree with the Highgarden thing.

A castle like that would be an extremely tough battle to win. I get most of the Tyrell forces were not there, but still.

As for Euron and his fleet, again, he controls the weather almost assuredly and probably more. We will find out about it soon enough, I'm sure. He meant it when he said he was the Drowned God. I suggest everyone else stay off the seas in the meantime.

 

[Rich]

I thought both the attack on Highgarden and Casterly Rock each had an interesting way of telling the story of battle, and let them control the budget by not getting so into the details. I really enjoyed that episode!

Yea that's another good point. Budget is a thing, and having like 4 massive battles in 3 episodes is probably a little much.

 

[Sebastian]

But it's the same route. You have to pass by Dorne to get to the Westerlands by sea.

You're right about HighGarden, and the same should apply to Casterly Rock. Exactly how are you going to take that back easily with thousands of Unsullied inside?

And if Highgarden was so weak that it fell that easily, then why march down there at all, losing Casterly Rock and perhaps KL for lack of troops. If the Tyrells were so weak their castle fell that quickly, then they'd have been a joke as a field army, and not worth fighting at all.

It was mentioned that the larders were emptied at the Rock. They expect to starve them out.

Which isn't a good idea in that terrain when the Dothraki are on the loose.

On another note: With her navy destroyed she needs Jon Snow even more. Doesn't he control Stannis' fleet now?

 

[Rich]

That said the Tyrion strategy of not using the Dragons has been rather terrible.

 

[Jack Brickman]

That said the Tyrion strategy of not using the Dragons has been rather terrible.

Seems like they'd be pretty useful against Euron's ships. But then again, I'm guessing that's what Dany uses them for and it has some tragic consequences.

 

[Sebastian]

Seems like they'd be pretty useful against Euron's ships. But then again, I'm guessing that's what Dany uses them for and it has some tragic consequences.

Yeah, Tyrion has made a grave strategic error in not using their entire force to attack King's Landing. If Cersei was captured, or killed, or forced to flee the Iron Throne, her remaining support would fall away. Lannister forces would be forced to try to relieve a siege or retake the city. It would force them to fight a battle they can't win.

The best way to prevent civilian casualties in any war is to end the fighting as soon as possible. In attempting to save 10,000 lives their actions will probably lead to 100,000 deaths. Now the war will drag on and on.

 

[Rich]

So prediction: Cersei tells Jaimie to burn Kings landing while the armies are marching towards her and he kills her.

 

[Tlyons]

Keeping Jamie in line with with those mad queen blowies ...brilliant!

 

[Triplethreat]

So prediction: Cersei tells Jaimie to burn Kings landing while the armies are marching towards her and he kills her.

At this point it doesn't seem like anything she can do would turn him against her...

Hop I'm wrong.

 

[Adam]

At this point it doesn't seem like anything she can do would turn him against her...

Hop I'm wrong.

Agreed and disappointed i thought jamie would be turning by now, but he seems to have turned back towards cersi