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BMAN said:
Soooooo, you really can't deny that they're a bunch of white supremacists...gotcha.
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Theyre more separatist than supremacist. But their are supremacists too.

But trying to define all of their views with one view isnt going to happen. Its like saying there's one type of feminist or blm follower, or democrat or Republican.
 
David. said:
Theyre more separatist than supremacist. But their are supremacists too.

But trying to define all of their views with one view isnt going to happen. Its like saying there's one type of feminist or blm follower, or democrat or Republican.
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To be fair though, people have been generalizing the left and left leaning protests for months on this board. Then all of a sudden, when their sides protestors are in the lime light, the narrative of "some doesn't represent all" is used by the same posters.

Fascinating to watch, really.
 
pr26 said:
To be fair though, people have been generalizing the left and left leaning protests for months on this board. Then all of a sudden, when their sides protestors are in the lime light, the narrative of "some doesn't represent all" is used by the same posters.

Fascinating to watch, really.
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Never fails.

I've never seen "the left" run to the defense of Antifa.
 
pr26 said:
To be fair though, people have been generalizing the left and left leaning protests for months on this board. Then all of a sudden, when their sides protestors are in the lime light, the narrative of "some doesn't represent all" is used by the same posters.

Fascinating to watch, really.
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Its a good thing weve been focusing the discussion on that very Issue for the last few days
 
My grandfather fought against Nazi hate as well. He used violence.

He was called a hero.

Today he would be called a liberal.
 
AZ_ said:
My grandfather fought against Nazi hate as well. He used violence.

He was called a hero.

Today he would be called a liberal.
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A large majority of WWII veterans would've been called "literal Nazis" under today's typical definition.
 
Huber. said:
What makes you say that?
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"Nazi" seems to be used as a synonym for white supremacist today. The other tenets of the Nazi party are largely ignored. If someone today were to say that they believe that interracial marriage is wrong, or that they support segregation, people would be like "you're a fucking Nazi, what is wrong with you?" Views like that were widely held back then. I believe that if you were able to bring a group of soldiers from WWII to the present and have them tell a group of leftists their views they would be called Nazis.
 
MediumBaller said:
A large majority of WWII veterans would've been called "literal Nazis" under today's typical definition.
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Yeah, pc culture blah blah blah. We're discussing literal flags with swastikas on them being carried by literal Nazis. We're talking about a person infatuated with nazi-ism mowing down a group of people protesting fucking Nazis mobilized in their streets.

My late grandfather was a WWII vet, literally risked his life and watched his friends lose theirs fighting Nazis and the ideology they stood for. He was a conservative Mormon, fwiw. Save the culture war bullshit for times where the right is actually being misrepresented.

Oh, and let's stop normalizing the Richard Spencer's of the world by drawing ideological lines between racial cleansing and the belief in a white ethno-state.....how do you figure we create such an ethno-state without violence or force?
 
pr26 said:
Yeah, pc culture blah blah blah. We're discussing literal flags with swastikas on them being carried by literal Nazis. We're talking about a person infatuated with nazi-ism mowing down a group of people protesting fucking Nazis mobilized in their streets.

My late grandfather was a WWII vet, literally risked his life and watched his friends lose theirs fighting Nazis and the ideology they stood for. He was a conservative Mormon, fwiw. Save the culture war bullshit for times where the right is actually being misrepresented.

Oh, and let's stop normalizing the Richard Spencer's of the world by drawing ideological lines between racial cleansing and the belief in a white ethno-state.....how do you figure we create such an ethno-state without violence or force?
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Okay, well I'm not talking about the people carrying around swastika flags and shit. I'm talking about white nationalists and white supremacists. Their views are similar to the mainstream views of the 30s and 40s. People today, who do not carry Nazi flags and shit, who state that they do not associate with nazism, are still called Nazis for holding white supremacist views. Those are the views that were held by very many Americans during the world wars.
 
MediumBaller said:
Okay, well I'm not talking about the people carrying around swastika flags and shit. I'm talking about white nationalists and white supremacists. Their views are similar to the mainstream views of the 30s and 40s. People today, who do not carry Nazi flags and shit, who state that they do not associate with nazism, are still called Nazis for holding white supremacist views. Those are the views that were held by very many Americans during the world wars.
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How do you feel about the idea of a white ethno-state? Not accusing, genuinely curious.
 
pr26 said:
How do you feel about the idea of a white ethno-state? Not accusing, genuinely curious.
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I don't think that a white ethnostate is plausible, especially not in America. Our creation/history is different from that of other countries, and if you look at other countries there isn't such a thing as "white nationalism".

My understanding is that in Europe there isn't this "white collective". There are the Germans, the English, the Polish, etc. but they don't think of themselves as this big group of "white people." There might be German nationalism, or Polish nationalism, etc., but there isn't "white nationalism." Most of history has been white Europeans fighting with each other. They don't see each other as all being part of the same group. In America it's different because "white people" are mostly mixes of several different European nationalities. So you'd have a group of people that don't necessarily have anything in common except the color of their skin.

Then you'd have the problem of who is considered white. My gf is 1/4 Puerto Rican, 3/4 white, would she be white? Beyond that there's the fact that black people have been here since the colonial days too. They have been making their impact on America for just as long as white people.

Long story short, I don't support the idea of a white ethnostate, and even if I did I don't think it could be created without a ton of senseless and unnecessary bloodshed.
 
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