The Trump Administration (just Trump) Thread

[MediumBaller]

Ok cool story bro. Way to debate.

It has already all been discussed. You obviously didn't read.

 

[Tornicade]

Theyre right too.

They need to denounce that shit and implement internal controls.

Same thing we said about BLM

 

[David.]

Same thing we said about BLM

Any movement. All of them. Thats how yoi control the narrative.

 

[Tornicade]

Okay, well I'm not talking about the people carrying around swastika flags and shit. I'm talking about white nationalists and white supremacists. Their views are similar to the mainstream views of the 30s and 40s. People today, who do not carry Nazi flags and shit, who state that they do not associate with nazism, are still called Nazis for holding white supremacist views. Those are the views that were held by very many Americans during the world wars.

Meanwhile.
Gun Control, ID requirements, Anti Communism,Strong Immigration controls.etc
also if we look we can see that Nationalism is typically a byproduct of a broken middle class
as the separation of wealth continues to grow. more and more people will look to the government for change.

 

[BooyaCS]

Meanwhile.
Gun Control, ID requirements, Anti Communism,Strong Immigration controls.etc
also if we look we can see that Nationalism is typically a byproduct of a broken middle class
as the separation of wealth continues to grow. more and more people will look to the government for change.

Also part of the problems are the rhetoric of both sides. Antifa is more of an anarchist organization and likes to break things and set things on fire when they arrive. They have carried anarchist flags (just like these idiots that carried the Battle Flag of the Confederacy (not even the actual confederate flag) and the Nazi flag. Both sides are just to blame.

When the regressives want whites to be in the minority in the US you will get this type of response from whites (just like you would from blacks if you said we should go back to slavery). That is the main issue here. White Privledge, Oppressed society, second class citizens. Whether you are talking of blacks, hispanics, women etc this is the type of response that happens.

I am not saying this is right. What I am saying is that both sides are completely at fault in this case. When you have the leader of the DNC saying that White people need to shut up and they should be silenced you will get a back lash.

I mean this is antifa.

left-anarchists (anarcho-communist or anarcho-syndicalist), but there are also some libertarian Marxists and New Communist-derived Maoists.

So you have white nationalists going against communist anarchists... how is this going to work out? The current problem is you have some on the left siding with the Antifa movement. You have others on the right siding with the "white nationalists". You have the reasonable people trying to explain what happened without saying that they are in favor of either side.

You know what was missing from this rally on both sides? Where in the hell was the American flag? I saw a lot of the Confederate Battle Flag, the Nazi flag with Swastikas. I am sure Antifa had their flag but were was the US Flag? Is this what we are starting to devolve to?

I mean Christ on the fucking cross. You have communists fighting what they think is fascism. Isn't this the bigger issue here? We fought a fucking war against the facists and were stuck in a cold war for decades against the damn communists...

I am not a Trump fan but I am also not a fan of the far left anarcho-communist movement or and marxist movement.

 

[AZ_]

The White House is saying Trump didn't call out white supremacists because he didn't want to dignify them.


Wasn't his MS 13 event held like two weeks ago?


Fucking fraud.

 

[BooyaCS]

The White House is saying Trump didn't call out white supremacists because he didn't want to dignify them.


Wasn't his MS 13 event held like two weeks ago?


Fucking fraud.

He also didn't call out the militant factor of the left in Antifa as well. He just said both sides are to blame. Which is correct you have shit heads on both sides that fuck up everything for the rest of us.

 

[AZ_]

What was Antifa's role in all of this?

Because they were circling and beating UVA students in the march on Friday.

 

[gourimoko]

He also didn't call out the militant factor of the left in Antifa as well. He just said both sides are to blame. Which is correct you have shit heads on both sides that fuck up everything for the rest of us.

We shouldn't rush out and equate Antifa with literal Nazis and White Supremacists. Doing so would be illogical and counterproductive at best, and could be viewed as a tacit defense or absolvement of White nationalism as a purely reactionary effect at worst.

We shouldn't need to point to Antifa as some kind of "these guys are just as bad" excuse for White Nationalists marching in the streets. Antifa is poses very little threat to me, and I'm sure they are next to no threat to you. We can't say the same about White Nationalists/Supremacists -- at least, I can't.

 

[BooyaCS]

What was Antifa's role in all of this?

Because they were circling and beating UVA students in the march on Friday.

View: https://twitter.com/apurposefulwife/status/896209235465441280


View: https://twitter.com/JackSmithIV/status/896390316382617600


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv08fAXj76Y

 

[BooyaCS]

We shouldn't rush out and equate Antifa with literal Nazis and White Supremacists. Doing so would be illogical and counterproductive at best, and could be viewed as a tacit defense or absolvement of White nationalism as a purely reactionary effect at worst.

We shouldn't need to point to Antifa as some kind of "these guys are just as bad" excuse for White Nationalists marching in the streets. Antifa is poses very little threat to me, and I'm sure they are next to no threat to you. We can't say the same about White Nationalists/Supremacists -- at least, I can't.

Antifa is an anarcho-communist movement. IMO they are just as bad and the Neo-Nazi's

 

[BooyaCS]

We shouldn't rush out and equate Antifa with literal Nazis and White Supremacists. Doing so would be illogical and counterproductive at best, and could be viewed as a tacit defense or absolvement of White nationalism as a purely reactionary effect at worst.

We shouldn't need to point to Antifa as some kind of "these guys are just as bad" excuse for White Nationalists marching in the streets. Antifa is poses very little threat to me, and I'm sure they are next to no threat to you. We can't say the same about White Nationalists/Supremacists -- at least, I can't.

Here is a quote about AntiFa.

Since antifa is heavily composed of anarchists, its activists place little faith in the state, which they consider complicit in fascism and racism. They prefer direct action: They pressure venues to deny white supremacists space to meet. They pressure employers to fire them and landlords to evict them. And when people they deem racists and fascists manage to assemble, antifa’s partisans try to break up their gatherings, including by force

http://www.newsweek.com/what-antifa-anti-fascism-protesters-and-white-power-groups-explained-650232

When a group goes to break up another group by the use of force violence will ensue. How is this any different when it is a White Supremacist organization such as the KKK or AntiFA?

So you have 1 group that is rallying against what, has become in some people's minds, an attack on the whites (Whites need to shut up, Kill all whites, Whites are going to be an miniority (and a bunch of people are happy about that) and they go to break up a rally with the use of force when tensions are high enough as it is? How is that going to turn out? Of the groups that showed up (most of them are bad in general for the progression of society) the militants/constitutionals seem like the most rational... That says something...

This whole situation is fucked up. Let's not say that Antifa has nothing to do with this either. That is being disingenuous. BTW yes AntiFa does have an impact on me. I have been threatened for no other reason that i was walking to my car from Work and was yelled at during the RNC in Cleveland by AntiFA because i was white.

 

[gourimoko]

Here is a quote about AntiFa.



http://www.newsweek.com/what-antifa-anti-fascism-protesters-and-white-power-groups-explained-650232

Right, I agree with the quote there as an accurate depiction.

When a group goes to break up another group by the use of force violence will ensue.

That's reasonable, yes.

How is this any different when it is a White Supremacist organization such as the KKK or AntiFA?

Intent, surely...

There is not a moral equivalence between the Nazi and the guy who punches him in the face. At least, I don't think there is...

Nazism, if successful, ends in the literal extermination of the Jewish people and the subjugation of all non-White/Aryan people. That prospect isn't theoretical; we fought a war over the very real implementation of this philosophy just last century.

If neo-Nazism or some variant of White Nationalism could take root in America and actually begin the implementation of these ideals, like Nazi Germany in the 1930s; what country would or could oppose a Nazi-fied and nuclearized United States?

What's the endgame there other than mass extermination.. again.

So no.. never again can people of good conscious allow this to happen -- and never again can we sit idly by while hate mongers, racists, antisemitic groups fester among us and spread like cancer.

So you have 1 group that is rallying against what, has become in some people's minds, an attack on the whites (Whites need to shut up, Kill all whites, Whites are going to be an miniority (and a bunch of people are happy about that) and they go to break up a rally with the use of force when tensions are high enough as it is?

Right...

Booya, what if these Nazi rallies continue to grow? At what point do you stand up and say.. enough is enough?

It's easy to sit back and try to wait it out; but people did that in the 1920 and 30s and look what happened..

How is that going to turn out? Of the groups that showed up (most of them are bad in general for the progression of society) the militants/constitutionals seem like the most rational... That says something...

I don't see the moral equivalence between two violent groups where one fights against obvious Nazism. I'm not a pacifist and I doubt you are either.

You can take exception to their methods, and I'm fine with that; but their intentions and ideology do not entail my literal subjugation and ethnic cleansing or the extermination of my friends and neighbors.

This whole situation is fucked up. Let's not say that Antifa has nothing to do with this either. That is being disingenuous.

How is it being disingenuous to denote the different moral character of these two groups? Is that not important?

BTW yes AntiFa does have an impact on me. I have been threatened for no other reason that i was walking to my car from Work and was yelled at during the RNC in Cleveland by AntiFA because i was white.

And that impact is equivalent to being threatened with extermination and ethnic cleansing?

Look, I'm not defending what happened to you; I think that's vile. But... aren't most antifa members White? I didn't think this was somehow a minority-led anti-White group? .. anyway .. I'm not an anarchist and I think such ideals are purely idiotic at best.... But I'm not going to equivocate that statement with any sort of defense of antifa protesters hurling threats towards you... What happened to you is wrong, period.

 

[BooyaCS]

Right, I agree with the quote there as an accurate depiction.



That's reasonable, yes.



Intent, surely...

There is not a moral equivalence between the Nazi and the guy who punches him in the face. At least, I don't think there is...

Nazism, if successful, ends in the literal extermination of the Jewish people and the subjugation of all non-White/Aryan people. That prospect isn't theoretical; we fought a war over the very real implementation of this philosophy just last century.

If neo-Nazism or some variant of White Nationalism could take root in America and actually begin the implementation of these ideals, like Nazi Germany in the 1930s; what country would or could oppose a Nazi-fied and nuclearized United States?

What's the endgame there other than mass extermination.. again.

So no.. never again can people of good conscious allow this to happen -- and never again can we sit idly by while hate mongers, racists, antisemitic groups fester among us and spread like cancer.



Right...

Booya, what if these Nazi rallies continue to grow? At what point do you stand up and say.. enough is enough?

It's easy to sit back and try to wait it out; but people did that in the 1920 and 30s and look what happened..



I don't see the moral equivalence between two violent groups where one fights against obvious Nazism. I'm not a pacifist and I doubt you are either.

You can take exception to their methods, and I'm fine with that; but their intentions and ideology do not entail my literal subjugation and ethnic cleansing or the extermination of my friends and neighbors.



How is it being disingenuous to denote the different moral character of these two groups? Is that not important?



And that impact is equivalent to being threatened with extermination and ethnic cleansing?

I can argue that both, some areas of BLM and Antifa, want the extermination and extinction of the "white race"

View: https://twitter.com/OrwellNGoode/status/896429006559600642


Look at that twitter feed. How is that any different than White Supremecy? Should I be OK with Antifa and certain areas of BLM that want the white race to become extinct? Can you see that this exists on BOTH sides?

 

[gourimoko]

I can argue that both, some areas of BLM and Antifa, want the extermination and extinction of the "white race"

View: https://twitter.com/OrwellNGoode/status/896429006559600642


Look at that twitter feed. How is that any different than White Supremecy? Should I be OK with Antifa and certain areas of BLM that want the white race to become extinct? Can you see that this exists on BOTH sides?

I've been to BLM rallies and meetings... It's not a supremacist group... Like, out here, BLM is like 30-40% non-Black. It'd be like saying the GOP is a supremacist group, even if a significant number of it's members are supremacists..

BLM is more akin to the GOP in this regard than it is to the KKK -- which, standing ideology IS White Supremacy, and you don't need to scour for some folks Twitter posts to find that out.